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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I never understood how Catholics could pray for people after they have died.
    They get out of Purgatory and into Heaven sooner that way (I think).

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    She was Jewish and was not baptised (that I am aware of). Unless one is baptised they cannot enter heaven. I simply pray that she may find some peace in God's mercy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post


    I never understood how Catholics could pray for people after they have died.
    Because we believe we are then born into Eternal Life, this includes Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Most souls end up in Purgatory, many go to Hell, few go instantly to Heaven. Those in Purgatory are helped to enter Heaven eventually, but they require those of us left on earth to pray for them so they can eventually reach their true home in Heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcha View Post
    Because we believe we are then born into Eternal Life, this includes Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Most souls end up in Purgatory, many go to Hell, few go instantly to Heaven. Those in Purgatory are helped to enter Heaven eventually, but they require those of us left on earth to pray for them so they can eventually reach their true home in Heaven.
    So most souls' hopes of making it into heaven depends on prayers of the living after they have died and lived life as best as they could. That sounds bizarre. So basically, if you haven't had good friends here who would pray for you, you're fucked. I'm sorry but that sounds terribly cruel, unjust and is definitely not according to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Just my Protestant take. I would hate to have to depend on others for this kind of thing. But I am not religious so it doesn't really matter to me - merely curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    So most souls' hopes of making it into heaven depends on prayers of the living after they have died and lived life as best as they could. That sounds bizarre. So basically, if you haven't had good friends here who would pray for you, you're fucked. I'm sorry but that sounds terribly cruel, unjust and is definitely not according to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Just my Protestant take. I would hate to have to depend on others for this kind of thing. But I am not religious so it doesn't really matter to me - merely curious.
    It's in Maccabbes, but that was yet another biblical exclusion/omittion comitted by Protestants.

    There are prayers Catholics say for our loved ones who die, and there are prayers we say for all Souls in Heaven. We don't need to know who they are, except when we die, and if they're in Heaven, then they can pray for us too.

    Why not pray for someone who has died? At least, if anything, it means we continue to remember them in some way.

    There's a lot of mystery relating to Catholicism and some of it will be too supernatural for your stoic Protestantism. But why do Protestants even bother being Christian, if they think everyone gets to Heaven anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcha View Post
    Why not pray for someone who has died?
    Because won't people be judged on their own lives on earth, rather than others praying for them? It's basically a gamble then?

    But why do Protestants even bother being Christian, if they think everyone gets to Heaven anyway?
    No they don't think that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Because won't people be judged on their own lives on earth, rather than others praying for them? It's basically a gamble then?
    Yes, but Catholics also believe that atonement can be done in several ways; almsgiving, true contrition, fasting/sacrifice and prayer. If you've done these things and end up in Purgatory, then it's left to the people on earth to continue these things in your name in order to 'fast-track' you to Heaven. Purgatory comes from the word to purge, to cleanse, to remove any last trace of unGodliness in you.

    It makes sense, because not everyone deserves to go to Heaven, but neither do they deserve Hell. Heaven is for the most pure souls, an example being a life that has been offered to help others on earth, like Mother Teresa. She was a unique in her commitment to her faith and to others; so the average Joe Smith doesn't exactly deserve to walk into Heaven- it has to be earned by your life here on earth.

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    Please, have some respect and don't turn and this thread into some pathetic chrisitian discussions.
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    Like you trying to turn it into some bitchfest? We're talking about the Afterlife here, which under the present circumstances, seems appropriate. So don't annoy me right now, bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcha View Post
    Yes, but Catholics also believe that atonement can be done in several ways; almsgiving, true contrition, fasting/sacrifice and prayer. If you've done these things and end up in Purgatory, then it's left to the people on earth to continue these things in your name in order to 'fast-track' you to Heaven. Purgatory comes from the word to purge, to cleanse, to remove any last trace of unGodliness in you.

    It makes sense, because not everyone deserves to go to Heaven, but neither do they deserve Hell. Heaven is for the most pure souls, an example being a life that has been offered to help others on earth, like Mother Teresa. She was a unique in her commitment to her faith and to others; so the average Joe Smith doesn't exactly deserve to walk into Heaven- it has to be earned by your life here on earth.
    I'll be dead honest with you, if I were a Catholic I'd be scared out of my wits that I'd be stuck in Purgatory, and not go to heaven. At least Protestant faith has that assurance of salvation, which is probably why they seem happier people in general. But as I've said, I'm not religious.
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