The early Aryans(Indo-Europeans) in India

[Mortimer]

-For the Vedic Aryans Gora Skin (fair complexion,light brown and olive) were the most important Characteristic.

The first among Vedic Gods, Indra King of Gods was described as having brown and golden skin.

In the RV 1.65 reads, "SAKRA, who is the purifier (of his worshipers), and well-skilled in horses, who is wonderful and golden-bodied."Rig Veda also reads that Indra "is the dancing god who, clothed in perfumed garments, golden-cheeked rides his golden cart." One passage calls him both brown and yellow."Him with the fleece they purify, brown, golden-hued, beloved of all, Who with exhilarating juice goes forth to all the deities"

-Rudra was als described as having tawny skin

HYMN XXXIII. Rudra.

5 May I with praise-songs win that Rudra's favour who is adored with gifts and invocations.
Ne’er may the tawny God, fair-checked, and gracious, swifthearing, yield us to this evil purpose.


-Sometimes described as reddish brown like the God Agni.

Hymn 3.1.3 reads of Agni, "Bull, who beholdest men, through many mornings, among the dark ones shine forth red, O Agni."

- Another important Characteristic of the earliest Brahmins and Aryans in India is Black Hair


Source: Atharva Veda.6.137.2
>> May thy hairs grow as reeds, may they cluster, black, about thy head!


Source: Atharva Veda.6.137.3
>> Brahmins have strong black hair.


Source: Dharma-Sutra 1:2
>> Let him [the Brahmin Priest] kindle the sacrificial fire while his hair is still black

--Budda described as an Archetype of an Arya

Black Hair of the Buddha
So, at a later time, while still young, a black-haired young man endowed with the blessings of youth in the first stage of life—and while my parents, unwilling, were crying with tears streaming down their faces—I shaved off my hair & beard, put on the ochre robe and went forth from the home life into homelessness.
— Ariyapariyesana Sutta


Other Characteristics ascribed to the Buddha (by Vasishta ForumBiodiversity)

I. He has feet with level tread. This is one of the marks of a great man.
II. On the soles of his feet are wheels complete with felloe and hub.
III. He has projecting heels.
IV. He has long fingers and toes.
V. He has soft and tender hands and feet.
VI. His hands and feet are net-like.
VII. He has high-raised ankles
VIII. His legs are like an antelopes.
IX. Standing and without bending, he can touch and rub his knees with either hand.
X. His male organs are enclosed in a sheath.
XI. His complexion is bright, the color of gold.
XII. His skin is delicate and so smooth that no dust can adhere to his body.
XIII. His body hairs are separate, one to each pore.
XIV. His body hair--
XV. --grow upwards, bluish-black like collyruim, growing in rings to the right.
XVI. His body is divinely straight
XVII. He has the seven convex surfaces.
XVIII. The front part of his body is like a Lion’s.
XIX. There is no hollow between his shoulders.
XX. He is proportioned like a banyan-tree: his height is as the span of his arms.
XXI. His bust is evenly rounded.
XXII. He has a perfect sense of taste.
XXIII. He has jaws like a lions
XXIV. He has forty teeth.
XXV. His teeth are even.
XXVI. There are no spaces between his teeth.
XXVII. His canine teeth are very bright.
XXVIII. His tongue is very long.
XXIX. He has a Brahma-like voice, like that of the Karavika-bird.
XXX. His eyes are deep blue.
XXXI. He has eyelashes like a cow’s.
XXXII. The hair between his eyebrows is white, and soft like cotton down.
XXXIII. His head is like a royal turban.

--The Kama Sutra states women who are "too white or too black" shouldnt be "enjoyed"

E. B. Havell writes based on physical features and the language that-

"Ethnographic investigations show that the Indo-Aryan type described in the Hindu epics — a tall, fair-complexioned, long-headed race, with narrow, prominent noses, broad shoulders, long arms, slim waists "like a lion," and thin legs like a deer — is now (as it was in the earliest times) mostly confined to Kashmir, the Panjab and Rajputana, and represented by the Khattris, Jats, and Rajputs."

Indians not descendant of "Aryans" [but "Aryans" descendant of Indians??]

New study

Both the ancestry components that dominate genetic variation in South Asia demonstrate much greater diversity than those that predominate West Eurasia. This is indicative of a more ancient demographic history and a higher long-term effective population size underlying South Asian genome variation compared to that of West Eurasia," researchers said.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/i.../1/163645.html

"The genetic component which spread beyond India is significantly higher in India than in any other part of world. This implies that this genetic component originated in India and then spread to West Asia and Caucasus," said Gyaneshwar Chaube of University of Tartu, Estonia.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/i.../1/163645.html

[EvilDave]

Personally , i always have seen the aryans only as a linguistic/cultural belonging .

[Padre Organtino]

I think ancient Indians were a Black Nation. White supremasists and Nazis have fooled and enslaved a Black Man (for they feared his intelligence and strength) and now they are trying to erase the history of Black Achievement.

[Mortimer]

I think ancient Indians were a Black Nation. White supremasists and Nazis have fooled and enslaved a Black Man (for they feared his intelligence and strength) and now they are trying to erase the history of Balck Achievement.

They were neither black nor white.

[Padre Organtino]

They were neither black nor white.

That's Caucasoid racism speaking in you, IM. I bet you are proud of that KKK hood you keep in your locker and you enjoy to watch the suffering of a Black Man.

[Ar-Man]

I think ancient Indians were a Black Nation. White supremasists and Nazis have fooled and enslaved a Black Man (for they feared his intelligence and strength) and now they are trying to erase the history of Balck Achievement.

Dravidian shudras, were always avstroloid but they never were the Indo-Aryans, in the ancient scriptures we have descriptions of blue eyed & yellow haired Brahmins, like in the works of Grammarian Panini, or in the description of 32 Body singes that Buddha had.
Any way the existence of types like Nordindid proves that there was 2 separate ethnic groups having 2 separate racial types, from where came all those cast systems & restrictions between them.

[Padre Organtino]

Dravidian shudras, were always avstroloid but they never were the Indo-Aryans, in the ancient scriptures we have descriptions of blue eyed & yellow haired Brahmins, like in the works of Grammarian Panini, or in the description of 32 Body singes that Buddha had.
Any way the existence of types like Nordindid proves that there was 2 separate ethnic groups having 2 separate racial types, from where came all those cast systems & restrictions between them.

Well, Nords were never really present there in big numbers. Corded/Kurgan type guys have influenced India but their main Caucasoid component comes from pre-Aryan West Asian invasion. Mohenjo-Daro and etc were built by dolyhocephalic West Asians with some small Weddoid admix. Later on they were conquered by Aryan invaders who were indeed North European in apperance.

[Mortimer]

Well, Nords were never really present there in big numbers. Corded/Kurgan type guys have influenced India but their main Caucasoid component comes from pre-Aryan West Asian invasion. Mohenjo-Daro and etc were built by dolyhocephalic West Asians with some small Weddoid admix. Later on they were conquered by Aryan invaders who were indeed North European in apperance.

There was never any Invasion into India. The gene-flow of West Asian into India is very small (several studies confirm.)

[Padre Organtino]

There was never any Invasion into India. The gene-flow of West Asian into India is very small (several studies confirm.)

Lol, care to explain how Indians show up as a mixture two primary components (ANI and ASI) of which the latter one has clear and strong connection to West Asian ancestral one? Additionally how can you explain that the closer we get to ME in India the more Caucasoid people look?

[Mortimer]

Dravidian shudras, were always avstroloid but they never were the Indo-Aryans, in the ancient scriptures we have descriptions of blue eyed & yellow haired Brahmins, like in the works of Grammarian Panini, or in the description of 32 Body singes that Buddha had.
Any way the existence of types like Nordindid proves that there was 2 separate ethnic groups having 2 separate racial types, from where came all those cast systems & restrictions between them.

There may have been a few blonde/blue eyed ones. Buddha was Blue eyed but not blonde. The bulk of the Nordindids is not blonde though. Also the Non_Aryans (Rakshasa/Demons) are described as having red hair.