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Thread: SSA of Arabic/Arabicised people. Homogeneously distributed or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    Agreed. It seems early Semites or even proto-Afro-Asiatics already had SSA admixture and it increased or decreased based on which populations they intermarried with.

    A lot of the East African scored by Arabs and North Africans come from proto-Afro-Asiatics. Some academics even considered an Ethiopian hypothesis for Semitic Urheimat.
    I'm a believer in an East to Northeast African Urheimat too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    why this obsession for the ssa ? anyway it's not even equally spread in north africa so i doubt it's the case for the ME
    Perhaps people want to know why Middle Easterners don't look like white people despite them belonging to the same Caucasoid race supposedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Perhaps people want to know why Middle Easterners don't look like white people despite them belonging to the same Caucasoid race supposedly.
    or know the percentage of "contamination"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Perhaps people want to know why Middle Easterners don't look like white people despite them belonging to the same Caucasoid race supposedly.
    I doubt it's the ssa that they have that influence their looks ( it's too low to have an impact except in some NA areas)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    I doubt it's the ssa that they have that influence their looks ( it's too low to have an impact except in some NA areas)
    Even 5% of SSA can influence someone's phenotype. I'd say even trace amounts depending on inherited alleles. One could be 99% European but inherit a dark skin allele from a SSA ancestor and look dark.

    People in forums like to discuss percentages from autosomal calculators but even things that don't show in autosomal can influence phenotypes in some cases. That's an extremely complex issue. I once said here that I have a cousin that is in between 7-9% SSA and 91% European (and the European coming from very light-pigmented people of Venetian origin) and he doesn't look white, at least not typical for anywhere in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    Even 5% of SSA can influence someone's phenotype. I'd say even trace amounts depending on inherited alleles. One could be 99% European but inherit a dark skin allele from a SSA ancestor and look dark.

    People in forums like to discuss percentages from autosomal calculators but even things that don't show in autosomal can influence phenotypes in some cases. That's an extremely complex issue. I once said here that I have a cousin that is in between 7-9% SSA and 91% European (and the European coming from very light-pigmented people of Venetian origin) and he doesn't look white, at least not typical for anywhere in Europe.
    I agree, even 3% SSA can influence the phenotype. (I think that celestial player is a good example, she's 97% NW Euro but 3% SSA and she doesn't look at all NW euro but rather S.Euro and even pan "med")

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    How much SSA you think my Mother is if you have to guess from Mixed Mode?

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.8% Estonian + 31.2% Jew_Tunisian @ 0.77
    2 68% Estonian + 32% Jew_Libyan @ 0.83
    3 75.9% Estonian + 24.1% Saudi @ 1.02
    4 66.9% Estonian + 33.1% Jew_Moroccan @ 1.09
    5 76.4% Estonian + 23.6% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.11
    6 62% Estonian + 38% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 1.26
    7 85.7% Ukrainian + 14.3% Egyptian @ 1.28
    8 85.4% Ukrainian + 14.6% BedouinA @ 1.3
    9 76.9% Estonian + 23.1% Levant_BA @ 1.33
    10 74.1% Lithuanian + 25.9% Saudi @ 1.48
    11 85.6% Scottish + 14.4% Yemeni @ 1.48
    12 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Jew_Libyan @ 1.5
    13 92.1% Hungarian + 7.9% Yemeni @ 1.53
    14 85% Ukrainian + 15% Jordanian @ 1.53
    15 85.4% Ukrainian + 14.6% Palestinian @ 1.54
    16 85.8% Ukrainian + 14.2% Libyan @ 1.55
    17 83.3% Scottish + 16.7% Jordanian @ 1.55
    18 83.9% Scottish + 16.1% BedouinA @ 1.56
    19 82% Ukrainian + 18% Jew_Tunisian @ 1.56
    20 87.4% Czech + 12.6% Yemeni @ 1.57
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    Probably something between 4 and 6% something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    I agree, even 3% SSA can influence the phenotype. (I think that celestial player is a good example, she's 97% NW Euro but 3% SSA and she doesn't look at all NW euro but rather S.Euro and even pan "med")
    Yep. I remember people discussing on why she was so dark for Anglos and for me it was always obvious that her darkness came from the 3% SSA. She could pass in Southern Europe, yeah, but also in North Africa, Levant etc.

    This cousin of mine is the same thing, he can maybe pass for atypical Southern European, but he can also pass for North African, Levant, Iranian etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    Even 5% of SSA can influence someone's phenotype. I'd say even trace amounts depending on inherited alleles. One could be 99% European but inherit a dark skin allele from a SSA ancestor and look dark.

    People in forums like to discuss percentages from autosomal calculators but even things that don't show in autosomal can influence phenotypes in some cases. That's an extremely complex issue. I once said here that I have a cousin that is in between 7-9% SSA and 91% European (and the European coming from very light-pigmented people of Venetian origin) and he doesn't look white, at least not typical for anywhere in Europe.
    Agree. But as we all know there are MENA and Caucasus groups without any SSA who don't look european.
    CHG is not one of the main ancestors of Europeans.

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