Percentage of population in the ages between 18-74 with immigrant background by Region.

[Cernunnos]

https://www.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpi...odo=2&xlang=pt

According to the results of the Survey on Living Conditions, Origins and Trajectories of the Resident Population in Portugal (ICOT), people aged 18 to 74 self-identified, in terms of origin or ethnic belonging, as follows: 6 .4 million with the white ethnic group (92,29%); 169.2 thousand with the black group (2,44%); 56.6 thousand with the Asian group (0,82%); 47.5 thousand with the gypsy ethnic group (0,69%); and 262.3 thousand with the group of mixed origin or belonging (3,78%). The population that identifies as Asian, mixed origin or belonging, black and gypsy has a younger age structure than those that identify as white

[Tooting Carmen]

Nice to see you back after all this time. Where have you been?

Anyway, by comparison 18% of the overall population of England and Wales is non-White according to the 2021 Census, while the percentage of schoolchildren who are is around 27%.

[Cernunnos]

Nice to see you back after all this time. Where have you been?

Anyway, by comparison 18% of the overall population of England and Wales is non-White according to the 2021 Census, while the percentage of schoolchildren who are is around 27%.

Nice to see you too! I have been busy!

18,5% of the overall population here in Portugal is of immigrant background (Foreigners, their children and grandchildren) of any ethnic/racial background.

The most surprising figure is that it isn't Lisbon has a higher share of people with immigrant roots, but Algarve. Well not that surprising perhaps as Algarve is now filled with retirees from the UK, Germany, Netherlands etc and South Asians/Arabs.

29,2% for Lisbon area is quite low, I always see a lot of Blacks and Pajeets around here. Lisbon still being ~71% Portuguese is quite surprising. London, Paris, Brussels, probably Amsterdam are already far from those numbers.

But Portugal is much more vulnerable in the immediate and long term future to these migrations than those countries. IMO.

You talk about non whites but if you include White immigrants from other Euro countries England and Wales must have a much higher rate of overall Immigrants than Portugal.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, the White British ethnic group is 74% for England and Wales overall and literally half that for London. However, when foreign Whites are included too, London still has a faint White majority - which isn't true of Leicester, Birmingham, Slough, Luton or the urban areas of Bradford, Oldham and Walsall! (The rural areas of the latter three local councils still keep them majority White).

[Cernunnos]

Yes, the White British ethnic group is 74% for England and Wales overall and literally half that for London. However, when foreign Whites are included too, London still has a faint White majority - which isn't true of Leicester, Birmingham, Slough, Luton or the urban areas of Bradford, Oldham and Walsall! (The rural areas of the latter three local councils still keep them majority White).

Yeah those cities are doomed, but London is the capital so is more shocking to me.

I say Portugal is overall more vulnerable because we have a very aging white population, our native population is small (10 million) compared to the UK, France and the others, our young high-mid qualified graduates leave the country for central and northern europe for better quality of life and higher wages and last but definately not least our former colonies who speak our language and are filled with potential future immigrants have big and fast growing populations in the hundreds of millions (specialy the former african colonies).

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah those cities are doomed, but London is the capital so is more shocking to me.

I say Portugal is overall more vulnerable because we have a very aging white population, our native population is small (10 million) compared to the UK, France and the others, our young high-mid qualified graduates leave the country for central and northern europe for better quality of life and higher wages and last but definately not least our former colonies who speak our language and are filled with potential future immigrants have big and fast growing populations in the hundreds of millions (specialy the former african colonies).

I agree with most of that, but with some caveats: our elderly population is large too, the British-born diaspora is also huge (5-6 million) and Brazil has a low birth rate and already it has dropped to seventh place globally for population size, behind Nigeria and Pakistan.

[tita]

Ok but old people don't make the future population, if you want to have a look at what would the future looks like you have to look young people and births

[Cernunnos]

I agree with most of that, but with some caveats: our elderly population is large too, the British-born diaspora is also huge (5-6 million) and Brazil has a low birth rate and already it has dropped to seventh place globally for population size, behind Nigeria and Pakistan.

Brazil already has a plus 200 million population, it will start to decrease right now and probably is due to whites having a low birth rate.

The main problem here is clearly Angola, Guinea Bissau and Mozambique who have huge birth rates and together will have several hundred million inhabitants by 2100 (by most estimates).

A lot of Pakis, Indians outside Goa, Nepalis and Banglas are coming here too.

[Cernunnos]

Ok but old people don't make the future population, if you want to have a look at what would the future looks like you have to look young people and births

2022 PISA stats for Portugal can show that. They include students with migrant background and their own results.

As of 2022: 11,3% of all students had immigrant background (all generations), including all countries in the world that are not Portugal.

That may have increased a bit right now.


The government estimates 9,3% students who are foreign (not including children/grandchildren of immigrants I guess). So if 9,3% are already legal aliens the figure for those with immigrant background must be higher than what PISA provides, someone is lying here...

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/lusa/qua...eiros_n1553327

[Tooting Carmen]

How well would you say immigrants are integrated in Portugal?