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    Default Holocaust in danger of being forgotten

    The memory of the Holocaust is in jeopardy. We need Jewish universities to offer graduate degrees, masters and doctorates, in Holocaust studies.

    Recently, the New Jersey State Holocaust Commission added 9/11 to the Holocaust and Genocide curriculum. The events of 9/11 should be observed and remembered separately. Soon, there will no remembrance of the Holocaust.

    Holocaust and Genocide will become only genocide and the Holocaust will only be a date in history. Holocaust survivors, please speak out before the memory of the Holocaust vanishes.

    Rabbi Dr. Bernhard Rosenberg
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    Default Holocaust survivors ask Facebook to ban denial pages

    Holocaust survivors have issued a "plea" to Facebook to "deny access to their powerful social networking platform to anyone promoting" the notion that the Holocaust should be denied or that it was a hoax.

    The survivors, affiliated with the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, which also operates the highly regarded Museum of Tolerance, recently made the request of Facebook. The letter they wrote is shared on the center's website:

    We, the undersigned, are Holocaust Survivors who saw our parents, children and loved ones brutally murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust. We are writing to you to protest Facebook’s policy that categorizes Holocaust denial as “free speech,” rather than the shameless, cynical and hateful propaganda that it is...

    Do not permit Holocaust denial any platform on Facebook to preach its inherent message of lies and hate. By allowing this hate propaganda on Facebook, you are exposing the public and, in particular, youth to the anti-Semitism which fueled the Holocaust. Please correct this terrible error in judgment before our generation passes away.

    According to the Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights organization, a "senior VP of Facebook offered to 'keep the dialogue open' on the matter but restated his company’s position: '… we also think it's important to maintain consistency in our policies, which don't generally prohibit people from making statements about historical events, no matter how ignorant the statement or how awful the event.”

    Msnbc.com has contacted Facebook for comment. We will update the story if and when we hear back.

    This is not the first time that the issue has come up. More than two years ago, CNET wrote about Facebook taking action to remove two Holocaust denial groups from the site, while leaving three others in place.

    A Facebook spokesman told CNET then that: "We are monitoring these groups and if the discussion among members degrades to the point of promoting hate or violence, despite whatever disclaimer the group description provides, we will take them down. This has happened in the past, especially when controversial groups are publicized."

    Earlier this year, Facebook agreed to remove a page that called on Palestinians to take up arms against Israel, after the Israeli government appealed to Facebook.

    On the page, Palestinians were urged to take to the streets after Friday prayers May 15 and begin an uprising. "Judgment Day will be brought upon us only once the Muslims have killed all of the Jews," a quote from the page said.

    For Holocaust survivors, who have had to endure a lifetime of pain, Facebook's denial/hoax pages are more salt rubbed into their considerable wounds.

    “I cannot ... emphasize enough how wrong Facebook's policy on Holocaust denial is," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, in a statement.

    "A review of denial sites currently active on Facebook confirm that it is not mere (free) speech but that it constitutes at its core a platform for bigotry and hatred of Jews, dead and alive. That is how notorious Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites continue to manipulate Facebook’s social networking service in multiple languages."

    Update at 7:35 pm ET: Facebook spokesman Andrew Noyes responded via email, saying "At Facebook, one of the toughest questions we face is how to handle the sharing of controversial ideas and opinions on the site. Recently, there has been a focus on groups created to deny the occurrence of the Holocaust. We find these groups to be repugnant and ignorant, just as we object to some of the other ideas expressed on Facebook.

    "We have spent considerable time internally discussing the issues of Holocaust denial and have come to the conclusion that the mere statement of denying the Holocaust is not a violation of our terms.

    "We think that there is a meaningful difference between advocating violence against a group of people and expressing an opinion on a policy, set of beliefs, or historical event — even if that opinion is factually wrong, or is outrageous or offensive to most people. However, if the members of the Holocaust denial groups consistently post hateful or threatening comments, we will take the groups down, and we have done so on many occasions."


    Noyes also added this: "Many of us at Facebook have direct personal connection to the Holocaust, through parents who were forced to flee Europe or relatives who could not escape. We believe in Facebook’s mission that giving people tools to make the world more open is a better way to combat ignorance or deception than censorship, though we recognize that others may disagree."
    http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2...n-denial-pages

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    it's not that it's forgotten, but for common people is a tabu subject because they feel it's an unsure territory and don't know how to position themselves to those events; most don't care about the jews, not positive nor negative in their confronts, and also know that not being vehemently against holocaust and everything and just seeming uninterested in the subject would agains seem a bad thing, so they give up and avoid the subject

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    Default Fight against Holocaust denial ‘far from over’

    The chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday denounced Iran’s “genocidal threats” against Israel and warned that the fight against Holocaust deniers “is far from over.”

    Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida Republican, said the United States must confront anti-Semitism, especially from those who claim the Nazis never killed millions of Jews during World War II.

    “The fight against anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial is far from over,” she said.

    “These efforts are needed now more than ever, as the Iranian regime draws ever closer to having nuclear weapons that it seeks in order to make good on its genocidal threats to wipe Israel off the map and to achieve a world without America and a world without Zionism.”

    Mrs. Ros-Lehtinen was one of several human rights advocates who reviewed anti-Semitism in the Middle East and in Sudan at a Capitol briefing organized by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) and the Lantos Anti-Semitism and Holocaust Denial Archives, named for the late Rep. Tom Lantos, the only Holocaust survivor to have served in Congress.

    MEMRI, which translates Middle East news reports, released a 15-minute video archive of TV programming at the briefing that showed anti-Semitic comments from television personalities, government officials, academics and clerics in the past year.

    In the clips, individuals from more than half a dozen countries claimed: that Jews were descended from apes and pigs, that they slaughtered gentiles to provide blood for the Passover tradition, that the Germans ought to be praised for having killed Jews, and that Jews are naturally racist and bloodthirsty.

    Hannah Rosenthal, the State Department’s Special envoy to combat anti-Semitism, said the TV clips are echoed in her interactions with government leaders and educators, who both deny the Holocaust and continue to teach anti-Semitism.

    “No government should produce materials that are intolerant of members of any religion, any racial group, any ethnic group, or should teach intolerance of any kind in its educational curriculum,” she said. “If you don’t learn the history, you can’t learn the lessons of history.”

    An even more “bone-chilling” aspect of recent public statements is the glorification of the Holocaust, she said.

    One MEMRI clip showed Wiam Wahhab, a former Lebanese Cabinet minister, discussing the World Cup in 2010, saying, “I like the Germans because they hate the Jews and burned them.”

    House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, released a letter comparing MEMRI to Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower’s efforts after liberating the Ohrdruf concentration camp near Weimar, Germany.

    “Eisenhower ordered all available American troops to go and witness the horrors he’d just seen. He also forced German citizens and officials from nearby towns to do the same,” Mr. Boehner said in the letter.

    “He understood that there must be a record, first-hand evidence and incontrovertible answers to those who would deny the Holocaust.”

    MEMRI President Yigal Carmon said the protests of the Arab Spring provide some hope for a new Middle East.

    “The mindset is changing,” Mr. Carmon said. “The fragmentation in the Arab World is not giving way to hate against external elements, particularly the Jews, … but rather a greater focus on the real problems: oppressive regimes, lack of freedoms and disregard of human rights.”
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    Yes, The 10 + million plus Chinese who died in holocaust in WW2 have been generally forgotten / neglected.

    The 10 million or so Ukrainians who died in the Holodomor have been generally forgotten / neglected.

    The 800,000 'Serbs who died in Jasenovac have been almost completely forgotten & neglected in the West.

    The approx 3 million Polish Catholics who died in the Holocaust have been generally forggoten & neglected.

    So, Why is it only a problem if the Jewish Genocide is forgotten?

    It is far from it. It is the genocide that is most harped on in our society.

    Why is it okay to forget other genocides but not okay to forget jewish genocides?

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    Simon Wiesenthal Center complaining about the holocaust? Not surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husaria View Post

    So, Why is it only a problem if the Jewish Genocide is forgotten?
    Because they wont be able to wring any money out of an indifferent public,or play the victim card......id say its more to do with the money myself.

    Theres no business like shoa business.

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    I must admit I'm forgetting about the holocaust. I've met lot's of other people as well under 25 who are just simply forgetting about it.

    Everyone's pretty much forgetting about it.

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    I forgot about the holocaust just now, but then I remembered it.
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