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    Question Northern Europeans Differ from Southern Europeans

    Northern Europeans Differ from Southern Europeans

    An international team of scientists lead by researchers at UC Davis Health System has found that genetically, modern Europeans fall into two groups: Northern and Southern (Mediterranean).

    The findings, published in Public Library of Science Genetics, provide a method for scientists to take into account European ancestry when looking for genes involved in diseases.

    "Until now, little has been known about the distribution of genetic variation in European populations and how much that distribution matters in terms of doing genetic studies" said Michael Seldin, chair of the Rowe Program in Genetics. "Now we will be able to control for these differences in European populations in our efforts to find genes that cause common diseases".

    Seldin and his colleagues compared genetic data for 928 individuals. They studied 5,700 single nucleotide polymorphisms

    (SNPs). SNPs are changes in which a single base in the DNA differs from the usual base at that position.

    The human genome contains millions of them. Some SNPs cause disease, like the one responsible for sickle cell anemia. Others are normal variations in the genome. People with common ancestry will have many SNPs in common.

    They tried to find these SNPs among Europeans. "We saw a clustering of individuals that come from either southern Europe or derived from populations that left southern Europe, or the Mediterranean, in the last 2,000 years", Seldin said.

    The team identified a set of 400 informative SNP markers that scientists could now use to control for European ancestry when conducting genetic studies of disease, response to drug treatment, or side effects from therapy.

    The data are also of interest to study historical human migrations. The Southern grouping included individuals from the Mediterranean zone (Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain), as well as Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. The Northern group included people with English, Irish, German, Swedish and Ukranian ancestry. These groups correspond to those historically and geographically divided by the Pyrenees and Alps mountain ranges.

    Previous studies have found four distinct genetic human populations (groups) which SNPs correlate broadly with continental ancestry: Asia, Africa, Oceania, America and continental Europe. The new study further subdivides people with European ancestry into the Northern and Southern groups.

    The researchers analyzed two sets of data to prove this. They looked at SNPs associated with rheumatoid arthritis and found that, when they corrected for ancestry, several of the genes that were previously believed to be good candidates for being involved in the disease were no longer candidates at all. They also corrected for ancestry in a data set looking at lactose intolerance. "When we did not control for differences in population structure, we got a lot of false associations", Seldin explained.

    Seldin and his colleagues will soon be expanding the current European study by looking at 500,000 SNPs. They also have plans for similar studies of other continental populations and for further defining different subpopulations.

    Seldin said studies of other continents and ethnic groups are necessary if science is to get the most out of the advances made by the Human Genome Project. "The ultimate aim of these studies is to be able to better define subgroups and use this information to eliminate false associations, giving us a better chance of finding true associations for disease genes", Seldin said.

    Source: Softpedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    The Southern grouping included individuals from the Mediterranean zone (Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain), as well as Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. The Northern group included people with English, Irish, German, Swedish and Ukranian ancestry. These groups correspond to those historically and geographically divided by the Pyrenees and Alps mountain ranges.
    — ... And as usual, the French are left in the middle of nowhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    — ... And as usual, the French are left in the middle of nowhere
    The French are the bridge between those two groups in all genetic plots i've seen. Their absence will cause a gap in the Euro cluster.

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    Where does the North start and the south end? In my opinion around Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Where does the North start and the south end? In my opinion around Paris.
    I would rather say Lyon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    Seldin and his colleagues compared genetic data for 928 individuals. They studied 5,700 single nucleotide polymorphisms

    (SNPs). SNPs are changes in which a single base in the DNA differs from the usual base at that position.
    Only 5,700 SNP's ? Sorry but that's crap. Dodecad or Eurogenes use hundred of thousands of SNP's. In the last v3 run used 166.000 SNP's.

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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph not this bloody topic again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticTemplar View Post
    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph not this bloody topic again...
    It's not a msyery that there are differences between North and South, altough there are not cut-offs like this article pretends, there is a continuum, and there is also a West-East axis, not just North-South. For example, at 23andMe, Iberians are right in the space between North and South :


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    You don't need genetic analyses to determine that there are significant differences between not only northern and southern Europe, but also western and eastern...

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    Actually, the division of north and south is exceedingly simplistic. The researchers should look to codify populations as North, North-west, South-West, South-East, East and Central. There are enough genetic differences between the six to justify the division.

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