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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really, they only ever did well against militias and settlers the Mexican American War only took 2 years from which America captured all the way into Mexico City, we literally conquered Mexico the first time they even thought about stepping to us. You should really learn your history before coming to a hypothesis. We also beat them again in 1916 and destroyed Pancho Villa's forces as an effective fighting force.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...ar_(1910–1919)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War



    He meant culturally, not militarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    But the entirety of Mexico wasn´t annexed in 1848 to the USA because they simply didn´t want due to racist reasons.
    Same with Nicaragua (which had an American William Walker as their president btw) and Cuba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really, they only ever did well against militias and settlers the Mexican American War only took 2 years from which America captured all the way into Mexico City, we literally conquered Mexico the first time they even thought about stepping to us. You should really learn your history before coming to a hypothesis. We also beat them again in 1916 and destroyed Pancho Villa's forces as an effective fighting force.
    Yeah, they did so well against us that we annexed half their country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    When you consider that there are many European countries and even some Asian countries where the percentage of people who speak English ranges from 50-90%, where most of the music and TV is imported and subtitled, where there are McDonalds everywhere, none of this is really true of Mexico. Despite being right next door to the US and heavily intertwined with it economically, the percentage of people who speak fluent English is still relatively low (and most don't see the issue with it), the Spanish language reigns supreme, the currency is still the peso and not the dollar, and the country makes much of its own television and music for the masses. Moreover, even when TV programmes are brought in from next door, they are usually dubbed rather than subtitled, while traditional Mexican cuisine is still prevalent.

    How is it that, for all its closeness to the US, Mexico has managed to maintain such a fiercely distinct and independent society and culture? Especially considering how other, much farther away countries have become far more Americanised over the years.
    Mexico is part of Hispanidad, which is a cultural powerhouse comparable to USA in many ways. So they don't need to watch in English when their language is not far behind globally.

    The peso is common in the rest of Latin America, so no need to switch to the dollar when the peso is already popular.

    Countries that adopt more American influence are the more developed countries with cultural ties to USA like the UK, Germany, Sweden, etc. Poorer countries are less influenced by globalism similar to how rural regions are more conservative than urban regions in the same country.

    Mexico is a large country with well over 100 million people. It's not some microstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Same with Nicaragua (which had an American William Walker as their president btw) and Cuba.
    Cuba was majority white (real White) in the first half of the XX century. It was whiter than some southern states (Mississippi, Alabama or Louisiana), but the cultural factor was also important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really, they only ever did well against militias and settlers the Mexican American War only took 2 years from which America captured all the way into Mexico City, we literally conquered Mexico the first time they even thought about stepping to us. You should really learn your history before coming to a hypothesis. We also beat them again in 1916 and destroyed Pancho Villa's forces as an effective fighting force.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...ar_(1910–1919)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really, they only ever did well against militias and settlers the Mexican American War only took 2 years from which America captured all the way into Mexico City, we literally conquered Mexico the first time they even thought about stepping to us. You should really learn your history before coming to a hypothesis. We also beat them again in 1916 and destroyed Pancho Villa's forces as an effective fighting force.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica...ar_(1910–1919)


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War



    I meant mainly holding their own in a cultural and linguistic sense. Obviously Mexico has been heavily intertwined with the US economically and dominated militarily.

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    I think popularity of american football/"gridiron" in Mexico is an example of estadounidense influence. I know baseball is popular in Mexico too, but idk if it's because of US influence.
    Not that I disagree with the opening post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post
    I think popularity of american football/"gridiron" in Mexico is an example of estadounidense influence. I know baseball is popular in Mexico too, but idk if it's because of US influence.
    Not that I disagree with the opening post.
    Still neither come close to the popularity of soccer there.

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