Hagia Sophia: Turkish court rules in favour of converting into a mosque

[Kamal900]

And everybody has fucked over everybody in one way or the other but we're still one nation.



You know what Staats- means ? Of the States. Ruled by the States-General. Not as a province with its own representatives like the free provinces (Drenthe effectively ruled itself, was part of the Republic but didn't send representatives as they were too poor and underdeveloped) but under military occupation as an internal colony. That's how the South was ruled between the times the North could take them (back) and 1795. (map is in German btw).

Genetically speaking, both the Dutch and the Frisians are the same, and we do have the Anglo-Saxons genome, and they cluster the closest to the modern day Frisians and Dutch than to the English(they're around 38% while the Scottish people are 30% Anglo-Saxon on average).

[crazyladybutterfly]

Since @TL doesn't allow me, i pretend to be full turkish here.

In my eyes people who grow in the west are westerners even if not mixed, but you are also 50%/dutch considering you a turk is a stretch in my eyes .

[Kamal900]

They are more headstrong and fucking impossible (they are more insular in the way that they think of themselves as "oh so different" while they aren't) to deal with but their mindset is the same as those in Holland and the other coastal provinces. Again: differences within the Netherlands. The land side remained much more feudal until relatively late.

Distance to: England_Saxon
0.01486290 Norwegian
0.01487781 Icelandic
0.01827611 Dutch
0.01835768 Irish
0.01852711 Scottish
0.02010182 Orcadian
0.02017676 Shetlandic
0.02100486 Swedish
0.02112214 English
0.02126847 Danish
0.02137774 Welsh
0.02393653 English_Cornwall
0.02816608 French_Brittany
0.03112652 German
0.03373824 Afrikaner
0.04055167 Belgian
0.04187788 German_East
0.04205047 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04399014 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04462684 Czech
0.04475657 French_Nord
0.04546987 Austrian
0.04750079 French_Paris
0.04821499 French_Alsace
0.05109398 Swiss_German

Distance to: NLD_BA
0.03362747 Norwegian
0.03394718 Icelandic
0.03503959 Irish
0.03635617 Swedish
0.03643102 Orcadian
0.03661867 Scottish
0.03773498 Dutch
0.03791115 Shetlandic
0.04046225 Welsh
0.04055929 Danish
0.04077753 English
0.04384522 English_Cornwall
0.04442267 French_Brittany
0.04654039 Afrikaner
0.04804779 German
0.05413653 German_East
0.05586712 Belgian
0.05639423 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05662874 Czech
0.05776867 Austrian
0.05971624 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05973086 French_Nord
0.06215008 Slovakian
0.06300900 Hungarian
0.06340115 French_Paris

The Corded Ware culture[2] comprises a broad archaeological horizon of Europe between c. 2900 BCE – circa 2350 BCE, thus from the late Neolithic, through the Copper Age, and ending in the early Bronze Age.[3] Corded Ware culture encompassed a vast area, from the Rhine on the west to the Volga in the east, occupying parts of Northern Europe, Central Europe and Eastern Europe.[3]

According to Haak et al. (2015), the Corded Ware people carried mostly Western Steppe Herder (WSH) ancestry and were closely related to the people of the Yamna culture (or Yamnaya), "documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery," the Eurasiatic steppes.[4] The Corded Ware culture may have disseminated the Proto-Germanic and Proto-Balto-Slavic Indo-European languages. The Corded Ware Culture also shows genetic affinity with the later Sintashta culture, where the Proto-Indo-Iranian language may have originated.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture

In other words, she claims that the Frisians would rather be close to a bunch of non-European Turkic people of the middle east than to their fellow Dutch and other peoples in North-Central Europe..unbelievable.

[Ryujin]

Ayasofya müzeye açıldığında o üzeri sıvayla örtülmüş mozaikler yüzyıllar sonra ortaya çıkarılmıştı, dünya kültür mirasına çok büyük bir katkıydı. Yüzyıllardır unutulmuş olan o freskler ortaya çıkmış, Türkiye'ye çok önemli bir turizm ve kültürel kazanım olmuştu. İşte bu sebeple müzeye çevrilmişti Ayasofya. Son kez yazıyorum. Bir Atatürkçü Türk vatandaşı olarak bu kararı kabul etmiyorum. 1934 tarihli ULU ÖNDER Kemal Atatürk'ün aldığı İSABETLİ kararı da sonuna kadar da destekliyorum. Ayasofya müze olarak kalmalıdır. Osmanlı padişahları peygamber değildir, yaptıkları da mutlak doğru değildir. Ayasofya'nın en başından camiiye çevrilmesi yanlıştır. İsmi Azize Sofya olan, bir Hıristiyan azizesine adanmış bir yapıda namaz kılmak istemenin manası nedir? kaldı ki günümüzde kılıç hakkı diye birşey mi var? bu söylem radikal islamcı söylemi ve dünyada da kimse sen güçlüsün Ayasofya'yı camii yapabiliyorsun diye sana saygı duymaz, aksine onun inancına, kutsalına bir saldırı olarak görür bu forumda olduğu gibi. Tıpkı senin aynısı Mescid-i Aksa'ya veya Kabe'ye yapılsa hissedebileceğin gibi. Eğer güçlü olanın borusu ötecekse İsrail'in borusunun ortadoğuda ötmesi de haklıdır o halde. Sonuçta adamlar hakkıyla Arap devletlerini yenip bugünkü Filistin topraklarını kendileri açısından bakarsak fethettiler.

[Rumata]

Cry panturkists, cry

[The Lawspeaker]

Netherlands doesn't have enough chocolates and banks to become like Switzerland. :^)

We do, actually. Again: you need some more looking up (it seems).

[eatensemn]

In other words, she claims that the Frisians would rather be close to a bunch of non-European Turkic people of the middle east than to their fellow Dutch and other peoples in North-Central Europe..unbelievable.

Dear stupid middle-eastern man, please don't play on me anymore. I don't wan to insult you and your nation more but if you really want that i can do that very well. Just stop.

[Kamal900]

Dear stupid middle-eastern man, please don't play on me anymore. I don't wan to insult you and your nation more but if you really want that i can do that very well. Just stop.

Then don't speak for other European peoples here on their relations with others. I don't think that any sane Frisian would see Turks like you more closer to them than to their fellow ethnic Dutch or other North-Central Europeans like Germans or the English for example. We know that the Frisians descend from the Anglo-Saxons that stayed in Friesland while the rest went to England and becoming the modern day English despite their name which derives from the ancient Frisii 2,000 years ago. The Dutch are of Salian Frankish origins since the Salian Frankish language is the direct ancestor of modern day Dutch that did not undergo the High German consonant shift like in the case with the Rhineland Franks which their language had converged with the High German dialects which evolved into the Franconian German dialects, but they heavily intermarried and assimilated other Germanic tribes in the region which is also true for the Celtic peoples of the La Tene culture in the South as well.

With all that said, what do the Firisians have in common with the Turks? Nothing, and really, Europeans in general would affiliate themselves far more closely with the Japanese or Koreans than to Turks. While I don't like Geert Wilders due to his foreign policies and ideologies, he pretty much talked crap against the Moroccans and Turks in the Netherlands in sending them back to their homelands, so it does tells us on how the average native in the Netherlands feel about the Turks in their country. You talked shit against us just to gain some sympathy points from Europe which really no sane European gives a flying fuck about what's going on in Turkey for as long as these problems don't get imported from there to Europe. Learn your place.

[eatensemn]

You talked shit against us just to gain some sympathy points from Europe

You're very interesting person, widely known as the top.1 non-white flattering europeans on this board, you're accusing me with doing something to gain symphaty from europeans. Well, i'm one of the toughest person against europeans here? As even poor teutone accuses me of being anti-german, for example, Because of my tough language. Greeks of course, you can find my posts directly attacking them. I don't remember if there are more examples.

I don't think that any sane Frisian would see Turks like you more closer to them than to their fellow ethnic Dutch or other North-Central Europeans like Germans or the English for example.

I don't get what you mean here, as where and how i claim "frisian would see Turks closer" because i don't? I have always been saying that dutch see britons closest and north-west germans second. You're behaving very strange here.

[Kamal900]

You're very interesting person, widely known as the top.1 non-white flattering europeans on this board, you're accusing me with doing something to gain symphaty from europeans. Well, i'm one of the toughest person against europeans here? As even poor teutone accuses me of being anti-german, for example, Because of my tough language. Greeks of course, you can find my posts directly attacking them. I don't remember if there are more examples.



I don't get what you mean here, as where and how i claim "frisian would see Turks closer" because i don't? I have always been saying that dutch see britons closest and north-west germans second. You're behaving very strange here.

I don't flatter to all European groups here, and I do flatter other groups besides Europeans as well which I myself admire many South Asian and the Iranian members here and so on. The Lawspeaker is one of my most closest friends here in this forum, and I do defend the western world in a egalitarian way in saying that all human beings deserve basic human rights including White peoples as well similar to the Dalai Llama where he stated that Europe belongs to the native Europeans. I have no bearings against them whatsoever. What sort of this extremely shallow reasoning do you have here insisting that non-Europeans couldn't able to admire and respect the west for? In fact, I don't think you quite understand how human relationship work in general either.