People from turkey might have less mongoloid DNA than I originally thought

[Hoihey]

What is Turkic admixture in Anatolian Turks? Which region is most Turkic? Trabzon Turks are almost without Turkic dna?

I'm not sure about the validity of these DNA tests anymore.. But I trust GEDmatch.

There was a Turkish member whose name I can't remember, according to GEDmatch he is 6-8% Mongoloid and he barely got 1% East Asian on 23andme.... so if I'll ever do 23andme, I bet I wouldn't get any East Asian...

I used 23AndMe to show recent non Anatolian OR Turkic admixture in the modern day Turkish population. I acknowledge that some of their DNA would be tucked away in their Anatolian percentage, but still. Even then it will be lower that I thought at first

[mitalit]

I'm not sure about the validity of these DNA tests anymore.. But I trust GEDmatch.

There was a Turkish member whose name I can't remember, according to GEDmatch he is 6-8% Mongoloid and he barely got 1% East Asian on 23andme.... so if I'll ever do 23andme, I bet I wouldn't get any East Asian...

Who knows, but imo 23andme is pretty good. If you have "recent" ancestors from there I think you would get some East Asian

[Hoihey]

In Eastern Anatolia native Kurds, Arabs and other little minorities live. From Trabzon to Rize native Hellenized after Turkified Greek and Laz people live. So they do not have much Turkic. Mostly Muğla, Bursa, Balıkesir, Bolu and more cities in Western Anatolia and Giresun, Ordu in Black sea have high East Eurasian for Turkey. Usually they can have up to 15-20.

Considering the large scale migrations of various peoples into modern day Turkey, would you consider the average mongoloid DNA of a Turkish citizen to be below 8%?

[Noble Cuman]

Considering the large scale migrations of various peoples into modern day Turkey, would you consider the average mongoloid DNA of a Turkish citizen to be below 8%?

I can not give exact number. Turkey is ethnically very diverse place. But if we include all the population of Turkey it would be low.

[Kaspias]

I don't know what you had thought before, but just to clarify:

Turkish people can be modeled from 0% to 40% Central Asian by using Gokturk, Karakhanid, Kimak, and Karluk samples(We don't have Oghuz, and radiocarbon dating is not applied to the samples which labeled as "Ottoman," so we can't know if they are really Ottoman or something else. That's why we are using proxies.) Yet this was probably was not the form of Seljuk Turks, and they were already mixed.

So if we are going to investigate early Central Asian form, this is what we have:



And if we are going to model with Seljuk-Era Turks, this is what we have:



Balkan Turks are equal to Central Anatolian Turks in terms of Turkic DNA, just for your information as they did not show in these models.

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Non-Turks can not be responsible for Turkish averages as they came from elsewhere, and usually know who they actually are. In the same parallel what I state, they already don't claim for a Turkic heritage. But it is the fact that a great portion of Turkish population (up to 1/4) is non-Turk. What should be realized here is being Turkish does not mean being an ethnic Turk.

On the other hand, an average consisted of all ethnicities live in Turkey would lower East Eurasian significantly, yet such an average would be utterly useless at the same time as it won't be representative of anything.

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And you shouldn't use 23andme for such inferences. Try to use Gedmatch or G25 data instead. It will give you better option to compare results.

[Noble Cuman]

I agree. But Balkan Turks also can have Kipchak or Tatar dna.

[Kaspias]

I agree. But Balkan Turks also can have Kipchak or Tatar dna.

Yes. I meant the same amount, not the same admixture.

[Dr_Maul]

lol, 23andMe only goes back 500 years. Manzikert alone was over 400 years before that point. But to be honest, I think Turkic admix is not very Seljuk but more so post-Mongol. Thats still older than 1500 AD by a lot
It varies by region, averaging around 9 I guess. Western Turks have around 12-15, which can equate to 40% "Turkic", which is probably the most. Slowly dilutes the more east you go, although not by much. Certain peoples like those in Trabzon are almost completely assimilated, same with some Balkan groups

[Hoihey]

And you shouldn't use 23andme for such inferences. Try to use Gedmatch or G25 data instead. It will give you better option to compare results.

I wasn’t, it was only to show that modern non Anatolian admixture in the Turkish population is quite high

[Kaspias]

I wasn’t, it was only to show that modern non Anatolian admixture in the Turkish population is quite high

It is not reliable anyway. It can pop up massively in one individual and lesser in one.

I don't have Anatolian admixture in reality, but have 45% in 23andme just because of shared East Eurasian.