Black and white twins born

[Agrippa]

Hmm.
Well, technically they should carry 50% of the mothers autosomal DNA, like all other children do too.

But...

The real issue here is, that a child you have with a person of your population will carry on much more than just the 50 percent of genes which vary in human populations, because you share with that person much more genes - usually - than with a person from a completely different continental population and race.

That's why you support more of your genes in unmixed, than in the mixed child.

Also, the mixed child might carry on the foreign genes into your group's genpool, making up a longer term competitor for the genes of your relatives. To raise a mixed race children IN YOUR GROUP, the home- and heartland of your population-race-culture, means you foster a foreign and potentially competitive, even hostile element.

If you raise them in foreign territory, it might be an expansion, but in your own, you just threaten your relative's genetic and memetic success. The only argument would lie in totally superiour traits, which is rarely given, especially if talking about high standing European Europid populations and the choice for male semen females can have in the modern Western society.

After all, it is never just about your own offspring, but also other carriers of YOUR GENES and people being genetically related.

In the human case also phenotypically and memetically-culturally.

Both is not the same if you mix with a completely foreign racial person - especially not, if you are a woman, or a man who invests ONLY in that mixed children WITHOUT pure offspring.

Also, females are the carriers of the pure blood line. There is no other choice: Females get the pure offspring, or there is no pure future generation.

Males can mix, because they can be expansive and their 50 percent mixed ones are a plus, unless they spread the mixed genes in the home population, that can be a problem too.

But female who mix are always a greater loss, because they could very well carry on a pure bloodline.

[billErobreren]

not that impressive, I saw 1 set of these type of cases & the difference between the 2 babies is noticeable, from Deutschland. 2 pairs from England & more noticeable the girls even had different hair & eye color. the lighter one has stronger African features that the other one, I honestly don't care what they do with them, it's done they're already alive & it isn't their fault & it's not like they can help what family they're born into....I don't fancy babies either way but these.... either way it's done

[Frederick]

they spread the mixed genes in the home population, that can be a problem too.

Its only a problem if these genes are bad.
Some forreign genes can be improvement.

For example, native americans famous immunity against acrophobia (fear of heights) has a genetical base.

Its usefull trait one could steal and place into the own genepool.
Of course only, if it isnt attached to other treats like eagle beak noses or something like that.

[rhiannon]

Why is it you frequent these sort of forums again?

Why are people like you not given your own desert island so you can take out your aggressions on those who think like you do?

[Hevneren]

No you can't. I knew you were Scandinavian just by your post. Of all native Caucasian groups in Europe, it is your people who are the most delusional and ignorant about racial differences. Too many Nordics can't seem to wait to commit racial and cultural suicide or they're just too narrow minded and short sighted to see what the future holds with continued non-European immigration and multiculturalism.

You really see Heidi Klum's features in her children? Care to point them out?

We're delusional and ignorant? Come again? And honestly, black/white and other interracial pairings are really not very common at all in the Nordic countries, so I have no idea of what you're talking about.

It's funny having some Russian lecturing us about the danger of non-Europeans, when the Russians have been a constant threat to the Nordic countries for almost a century, and Stalin would put ethnic Norwegians known as Kola Norwegians in concentration camps for simply speaking their own language. Then, of course, you had the influx of Russian prostitutes in the north which gave a rise to all kinds of exotic STD's, and later came Russian mobsters and petty criminals who've been involved in car thefts and the like.

Oh yeah, and mind your own damn business!

[Agrippa]

Its only a problem if these genes are bad.
Some forreign genes can be improvement.

The problem is:
- if the mixture is assymetric, especially if the higher standing group loses ground through it, so especially if females are affected and it happens in the own territory
- every mixture causes longer term disharmonies, because most populations being more harmonised over many generations, every new input causes frictions
- those disharmonies being not restricted to the racial question usually, but extend towards the politisch, social and cultural field as well. It is an illusion to integrate totally foreign elements in larger numbers without greater conflicts and problems coming up - even if they are high standing too
- finally and most important from the biological perspective, mixture is only good on the longer run if the results being SELECTED and HARMONISED over time

BUT we live now in a time of contraselection and dysgenic trends, rampant among the autochthonous already, but also favouring the less desirable elements among the foreign and mixed people!

This means the results in many lower class mixed subpopulations will finally lead to mixed people which combine THE WORST traits of both parental populations, rather than the BEST.

Because for having a very favourable recombination, with just the most advantageous new traits from the foreigners surviving in the local population on the longer run, you need a consequent SELECTION and BREEDING PROCESS.

So I'm personally quite sure you could, even without genetic technologies, breed a superiour race by mixing up the more progressive strains of Europid, Mongolid and Negrid - but, you would need MANY GENERATIONS for a new and stable result, and high level selection, with those which recombine in an unfavourable way being sorted out in every generation, so a huge and very hard Eugenic program working on this mixed population, so that only the best all populations can offer will survive in the next generations, until you have recombined just the best in a new race type.

This new race type won't come up by just mixing people, just mixing people only causes disharmonies, frictions and problems, but only by constant selection.

And looking at the standards we have, this would rather mean to destroy a standard for not getting a much better one, with uncertain end results.

So mixing not, but applying Eugenic and genetic programs alone, is highly favourble for European Europids in particular.

For example, native americans famous immunity against acrophobia (fear of heights) has a genetical base.

Yes? So you mix with those Indianids and probably you get children which are prone to Diabetes, obesity, shorter legs and wrinkled skin instead, but have acrophobia?

You see the problem.

Instead, with modern Eugenic-genetic methods, you just alter the genome of the population if that single trait is favourable without negative side effects, which has to be proven first...

Simple mixture just mixes up everything, with the following disharmonies and the more negative traits (in comparison to the Europid parent) this population has.

So it is highly ineffective and without POSITIVE selection no real option at all.

Just think about how many of the mixed will be less favourable recombinations, how many good ones?

That's ok for males, since they invest little and just spread Europid genes, but not for females and not in the own centres, because this would just mean the negative genes spread in the Europid population, while the lack of a positive selection and rather dysgenic trends will spread the negative ones...

Its usefull trait one could steal and place into the own genepool.
Of course only, if it isnt attached to other treats like eagle beak noses or something like that.

There are just two ways for doing so:
- hard, cruel and bloody selection
- Eugenic, modern medical-genetic methods.

The latter option will be much prefereble in every thinkable way.

[Frederick]

you need a consequent SELECTION and BREEDING PROCESS.

I am more for changing DNA in foetuses.
The results of 1 Million years breeding in 10 years.



Cherrypicking of traits from all races (possibly even non-human races) and creating the one really superior race.

In short time and without harming someone.

Ah... you already said so...

Instead, with modern Eugenic-genetic methods, you just alter the genome of the population if that single trait is favourable without negative side effects, which has to be proven first...

What I am not agreeing with you is, that the Europeans are the master race than only can become worse if it mixes.

Viruses often become superior if they mix.

[Agrippa]

What I am not agreeing with you is, that the Europeans are the master race than only can become worse if it mixes.

Did I say so? NO!

I said, to make that clear, that under the current circumstances MASS IMMIGRATION/GENFLOW is highly counterproductive from all possible perspectives (biological generally, racially, culturally, politically, economically etc., etc.).

Also, for having better variants from outside, you would have:
- first select among the immigrants, for example only the most progressive, harmonious, strongest, attractive, intelligent Sinids from East Asia
- secondly select from the offspring, only those which have the most favourable recombination being picked out

That would be the ideal situation, otherwise the mixture-results just don't come up to the damage it does and of course, it is also about the replacement of your extended kinship, your relatives and related genes as well as memes, which will be replaced by foreign elements coming into your home area.

If I would do "natural breeding experiments" with simple bastardisation, surely not in Europe, but somewhere else, so that the home area won't be ruined by a "failed experiment".

And the current situation can be just described as the "Liberalcapitalist-multicultural FAILED experiment" and it was done to us, in our home countries, THAT was wrong!

It's like experiments with a new, potentially harmful and instable nuclear power plant: Not in my garden!

[Sigur Rós]

You folks really make me laugh with your race supremacist crap. I don't agree with some race mixture either when it's used as intended publicity only.

Let nature sort it out not us buddy.

[Agrippa]

You folks really make me laugh with your race supremacist crap. I don't agree with some race mixture either when it's used as intended publicity only.

Let nature sort it out not us buddy.

That attitude is a shame for a species which is able to think and decide rationally, plan in advance and like other species being exploited to good and bad environmental influences, to good and bad selective trends - now we have dysgenic trends and our extended kinship and racial variants being replaced by foreign elements - no good development, from no point of view other than that of a suicidal subject.

Such an attitude reminds me on something like that as well:


You just ruin your own genetic future and that of the whole species if not preserving and promoting the more valuable variants and traits - your own kin and group.

Now you are mixed, but even then, you should see that people are just not the same, neither in, nor between races. Fact is, if you want improvements, which are necessary, you have to actually improve where the failure started and that's quite often in the genome already - or the culture a person is raised in.

Both being a problem if talking about the mass immigration of non-integrable foreign elements and massive mixture processes.