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    Default The Boer War

    This was a very interesting war, often referred to as the first 'modern' war.

    Lots of interesting info I want to post here. Others are welcome to contribute. This is not an anti-British thread, all views are welcome. The Boers and British have a mutual respect for each other, generally speaking - whether they want to admit it or not.

    To start off, here is a piece by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle from his book The Great Boer War:

    THE BOER NATIONS.

    Take a community of Dutchmen of the type of those who defended themselves for fifty years against all the power of Spain at a time when Spain was the greatest power in the world. Intermix with them a strain of those inflexible French Huguenots who gave up home and fortune and left their country for ever at the time of the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. The product must obviously be one of the most rugged, virile, unconquerable races ever seen upon earth. Take this formidable people and train them for seven generations in constant warfare against savage men and ferocious beasts, in circumstances under which no weakling could survive, place them so that they acquire exceptional skill with weapons and in horsemanship, give them a country which is eminently suited to the tactics of the huntsman, the marksman, and the rider.

    Then, finally, put a finer temper upon their military qualities by a dour fatalistic Old Testament religion and an ardent and consuming patriotism. Combine all these qualities and all these impulses in one individual, and you have the modern Boer--the most formidable antagonist who ever crossed the path of Imperial Britain. Our military history has largely consisted in our conflicts with France, but Napoleon and all his veterans have never treated us so roughly as these hard-bitten farmers with their ancient theology and their inconveniently modern rifles.

    Look at the map of South Africa, and there, in the very centre of the British possessions, like the stone in a peach, lies the great stretch of the two republics, a mighty domain for so small a people. How came they there? Who are these Teutonic folk who have burrowed so deeply into Africa? It is a twice-told tale, and yet it must be told once again if this story is to have even the most superficial of introductions. No one can know or appreciate the Boer who does not know his past, for he is what his past has made him.
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    Take some simple-minded, bigoted farmers from north-western europe. Let them breed under harsh, brutal and dysgenetic conditions in southern africa, far away from any progressive cultural influence, where they can settle their illogical and backwarded religious beliefs.
    Finally, give them the finest up to date Mauser rifles. j/k

    No offence! I appreciate the Boers and their history, but if even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle can write this absurdly one-sided, I can do too.

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    I have a very distant relative who fought in this war (I think I posted his picture on the members pictures thread at one point).
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    Quote Originally Posted by noricum View Post
    No offence! I appreciate the Boers and their history, but if even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle can write this absurdly one-sided, I can do too.
    Why is it absurdly one-sided?

    You do realise of course that Conan Doyle was not on the Boers' side? In fact, he served in the British army in the Boer War:

    Following the Boer War in South Africa at the turn of the 20th century and the condemnation from around the world over the United Kingdom's conduct, Conan Doyle wrote a short pamphlet titled The War in South Africa: Its Cause and Conduct, which justified the UK's role in the Boer War and was widely translated. Doyle had served as a volunteer doctor in the Langman Field Hospital at Bloemfontein between March and June 1900 .
    I think he should know more about its history than an ignorant Austrian.
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    This war was very unpopular for the French in Canada where many people viewed it as crushing a democratic minority group reminiscent of French-Canadians themselves, but we did contribute combat units to the war. 8,600 Canadians volunteered to fight in the South African War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noricum View Post
    Take some simple-minded, bigoted farmers from north-western europe. Let them breed under harsh, brutal and dysgenetic conditions in southern africa, far away from any progressive cultural influence, where they can settle their illogical and backwarded religious beliefs.
    Finally, give them the finest up to date Mauser rifles. j/k
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    I highly suggest the movie "Breaker Morant", if you ever get the chance. It highlights some of the British hypocrisy during the war.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_Morant_(film)


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    A British victory, sorta, but fought very unconventionally. Good railroads and concentration camps did the trick. In three years of conflict though the casualties are striking: Boers: 6,000. British: 22,000.

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    Joe, that doesn't include casualties of Boer civilians. It was a dirty war. The British herded Boer civilians into concentration camps, where women and children died of diseases. And as the movie Breaker Morant shows, the British also created special commando units - mostly of Australian soldiers - to commit atrocities against the Boers.

    After the war, three of those commando soldiers were put on trial, and two executed, for committing the atrocities they had been ordered to commit.

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    Of course i know that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was British. It's just easier for the self-esteem to loose a war against "superheros" than a bunch of farmers, what they where (those who actually fought). It's beyond controversy that the Boers where excellent fighters, but his text you posted pictures Boers as "Übermenschen". What i dare to say they where not.

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