Lost in translation. Americans vs the rest of us

[Turkey]

Anti-Americanism is the last great stupidity with mainstream support, but as it has mainstream support idiots are emboldened to engage in it.

Its vanguard though are the usual suspects - radical socialists, Nazis, and Third World troglodytes.

I really gave the arse of this thread a good pounding.

It was supposed to be about the difference in america and everywhere else.

Another example of a difference is scandinavia and australia. We import 'skilled migrants'. Scandinavia imports refugees. That is, scandinava's immigration is based on compassion, our's is based on money and basically avoiding machete wielding criminals.

My op and poll were crap obviously, because noone understood me. oh well.

[SwordoftheVistula]

I meant this poll to be about presvationists, not your average slob. Unfortunatly I can't edit it

I think the difference is more between Germanic (capitalist) and non-Germanic (more socialist) nationalist. The Germanic nationalist parties with the most support tend to be capitalist, like the Vlaams Belang (Flanders, Belgium), Geert Wilders, Danish Peoples' Party, Swiss Peoples' Party, Austrian Freedom Party, and Norway Progress Party. You could probably even add Italy's Northern League into this. The exceptions to this are Germany's NPD (economically left wing, and not very successful) and Britain's BNP (economically centrist, had some marginal success for a time period).

The celtic (Sinn Fein, Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru), Slavic, and Romance nations along with Greece seem to have national-socialist type parties.

I think a lot has to do with the Anglos/Germanics being on top in the prior existing power structure, thus supporting capitalism, whereas others like the Scots and Poles have sort of a colonial mentality in which they see themselves as historically 'oppressed'.

[Sahson]

"The former British Prime Minister Harold McMillan was once asked by a journalist about what he as a politician feared the most, and he replied. "Events dear boy, events." And he was 100% right." - Earl of Dartmouth

[Absinthe]

Ultimately it is multinational corporations from America that are the greatest threat to European culture.

Finally, a sane opinion. Globalization of the economy is the main (if not the only) cause for mass immigration and multiculturalism. If not for the greed for cheaper labour and expanding markets, of a handful of corporations that control the economy, most of the third-worlders that have swarm our countries would have stayed put as there would be nothing for them to do here.

People who touch upon the capitalist/communist dilemma on a simplistic way fail to grasp that capitalism is no more about "the free market" and "equal opportunities for everyone".
It has evolved into a voracious monster that will not stop until the last piece of land and oxygen has been turned into money. It's destroying the natural and human biodiversity en masse.

Much of what you loathe and call "leftism", Magister, is actually extreme capitalism and neo-liberalism. All ethics and values are being sacrificed in the altar of money, same goes for human races and cultures. The fact that the world is now one huge f**-up melting pot has more to do with corporate greed and market interests, than with "leftism" or "cultural marxism"
In fact, I believe the latter are being pushed forward exactly by the very same people who control the markets.

"The ruling class controls the ruling ideas" - there, even Marx had said it

On the other hand, international communism remains a tremendous threat to all the West

Really?! I was under the impression that "international communism" has failed miserably and hence now it survives only in some God-forsaken lands such as N.Korea. Everywhere else it has been implemented, not only it is now loathed by the people who were under its rule, but also those countries are now adapting a much more aggressive form of capitalism, than their capitalist opponents See Russia and China for example.

So how does it constitute a threat, let alone a tremendous one?

but since America is the originator and not the victim of international capitalism, they tend not to see the mercantile thinking of capitalism as being as dangerous as the cultural Marxism spread by communists.

Very very very true (the first part of your sentence), however they (you?) also fail to grasp that, in essence, capitalism and cultural marxism are the very two sides of the same coin.

Have you seen any communist state being ethically liberal, tolerant with minorities, promoting multiculturalism and immigration (lol, all of them had sealed borders that they guarded like a treasure), etc, etc?
They were quite the opposite!
And where does this wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality come from, and still is more prevalent? USA, the birthplace of capitalism!
And where are the multiculturalist "leftist" and liberalist ideas stronger and most established at?
The countries within the sphere of influence of the U.S. of A.!

Go to Eastern Europe, for example, and see how they feel about multiculturalism. They would probably chop off your head for even asking the question.

[SwordoftheVistula]

If not for the greed for cheaper labour and expanding markets, of a handful of corporations that control the economy, most of the third-worlders that have swarm our countries would have stayed put as there would be nothing for them to do here.

What about collecting welfare and committing crimes?

Really?! I was under the impression that "international communism" has failed miserably and hence now it survives only in some God-forsaken lands such as N.Korea.

And the US White House. But more seriously, most European countries maintain a strong 'socialist'/''social democratic' party, plus relatively strong far left parties such as 'Green' parties and openly communist parties like Die Linke in Germany.

Have you seen any communist state being ethically liberal, tolerant with minorities, promoting multiculturalism and immigration (lol, all of them had sealed borders that they guarded like a treasure), etc, etc?

Mostly they are afraid of people leaving. Not too many people want to move to those places, since they are super poor.

And where does this wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality come from, and still is more prevalent? USA

Not really, '68 revolution was much more powerful in continental Europe, plus you have France as the origin of this wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality.

I've posted in other threads which I can repost here if anyone forgot or has not seen, US Supreme Court cases pushing wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality by using 'world (European) opinion', also the European notion of individualism is wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality vs the American notion of individualism is the right to threaten someone with a gun to get off your yard.

USA, the birthplace of capitalism!

Britain is pretty widely recognized as the birthplace of modern 'capitalism as an ideology', Adam Smith and all that. Britain & former British colonies which are White or Asian are the most capitalist countries in the world, as a group. However, amongst this group, the US is the least capitalist of the bunch after the UK. Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Ireland are all more capitalist than the US as show in this study:

http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking

And where are the multiculturalist "leftist" and liberalist ideas stronger and most established at?
The countries within the sphere of influence of the U.S. of A.!

Not really. Continental Europe, mainly. For an example, see this here list of countries which have laws against 'holocaust denial': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_ag...locaust_denial

[Hevneren]

Anti-Americanism is the last great stupidity with mainstream support, but as it has mainstream support idiots are emboldened to engage in it.

Its vanguard though are the usual suspects - radical socialists, Nazis, and Third World troglodytes.

Or just people fed up with incompetent US foreign policy, mindless consumerism, crassness and arrogance.

[Absinthe]

I don't have time to reply in length as I need to leave very soon.

Britain is pretty widely recognized as the birthplace of modern 'capitalism as an ideology', Adam Smith and all that.

America was built almost exclusively on British (or WASP) values and doctrines, was it not? In fact I think it was America that was used as experimental territory for a lot of capitalist endeavours.

Not really, '68 revolution was much more powerful in continental Europe, plus you have France as the origin of this wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality.

France, the French Revolution, wasn't it a big influence for American Revolution as well? The constitution of human rights, equality, etc.... I don't have time to expand but I think that many of the ideals of the Enlightenment movement where either flawed to begin with, or have been twisted across time in order to promote more agendas.

most European countries maintain a strong 'socialist'/''social democratic' party, plus relatively strong far left parties such as 'Green' parties and openly communist parties like Die Linke in Germany.

The Western European countries that are under the influence of NATO and the American sphere.

In Eastern Europe and the Balkans, e.g. we are still crude, beastly brutes (although that is unfortunately changing) that are openly intolerant and racist, and very unsympathetic towards human rights, minority rights, and so on and so forth. It's the law of the jungle here.
But it seems for you (Americans) Europe is Western Europe alone, everything else is terra incognita.

[Hevneren]

Another example of a difference is scandinavia and australia. We import 'skilled migrants'. Scandinavia imports refugees. That is, scandinava's immigration is based on compassion, our's is based on money and basically avoiding machete wielding criminals.

Not really. Both Norway, Denmark and Sweden accept both skilled labour and refugees. Besides, every country is obligated to take in a quota of refugees. Personally, I don't agree with it, but what can you do?

[Pallantides]

I really gave the arse of this thread a good pounding.

It was supposed to be about the difference in america and everywhere else.

Another example of a difference is scandinavia and australia. We import 'skilled migrants'. Scandinavia imports refugees. That is, scandinava's immigration is based on compassion, our's is based on money and basically avoiding machete wielding criminals.

My op and poll were crap obviously, because noone understood me. oh well.

Yeah we have about 34.108 Swedish and 24.394 German refugees in Norway

[Hevneren]

But more seriously, most European countries maintain a strong 'socialist'/''social democratic' party, plus relatively strong far left parties such as 'Green' parties and openly communist parties like Die Linke in Germany.

Yes, it's called democracy and free speech. Unlike the USA, where you're forced to choose one of two options (the Independents don't count), in European countries you have a choice. Communist parties, however, are marginal in European countries, and socialist parties only slightly less marginal, so this is not some vast communist threat.

I've posted in other threads which I can repost here if anyone forgot or has not seen, US Supreme Court cases pushing wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality by using 'world (European) opinion', also the European notion of individualism is wishy-washy, hippie multi-culti mentality vs the American notion of individualism is the right to threaten someone with a gun to get off your yard.

Examples? In the US, you're terrified of nudity but you worship violence. A nipple can cause hysteria and is promptly censored, while violence is celebrated and seen as something natural. I don't see the censorship of nudity as a celebration of individuality. The same goes for the American hysteria concerning bad language, which is censored as well. Let's not forget how your government tells you where you can and can't travel (Cuba). How's that for individuality? And when you do travel somewhere, you get harassed by TSA agents in your own country.

Here in Norway I can own a weapon for hunting or to go to a marksman club, but I can also see nudity on TV, curse words are uncensored and I can travel directly to Cuba if I want to, and without TSA agents harassing me at the airport. Indeed, I can deny the Holocaust if I want to as well.