Marseilles is now 30-40% Muslim. Excessive violence, riots, and rapes!

[The Lawspeaker]

And the French had the brass to criticise Germany in 1914.

Exactly. I have read somewhere (I have to look it up) that the Germans promised Belgium to hand over South Flanders and those parts of Artesië which have always been Netherlandic if the Belgians would let the Germans pass through their country. Belgium unfortunately refused (probably spurred on by the French rather then by their own principles as Belgium was - and in essence still is - a French vassal state) and on the 4th of August 1914 the Germans invaded Belgium.

[Tel Errant]

As kingship may be deformed into tyranny, it deforms only for the life of one king who is the tyrant; a republic deforms into mob rule, which is self-perpetuating. Which is worse, one tyrant for sixty years or one thousand tyrants for two centuries?

Kingship may be deformed into tyranny because too much power is concentrated in the hands of a sole man that justifies this power invoking divine right. In a republic the power comes from the people, and is exerced in concertation by the representants of the people which prerogatives are defined by a constitution. A republic become tyranny ceases to be a republic and is called a dictature, that is, a kingship whitout crown.

[Joe McCarthy]

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Had the British won much of the western part of the country would have remained undeveloped Indian territory administered by Spaniards.

I suppose it's handy to use the net, an invention impossible without the US, to bitch that we shouldn't exist though.

[Magister Eckhart]

Kingship may be deformed into tyranny because too much power is concentrated in the hands of a sole man that justifies this power invoking divine right. In a republic the power comes from the people, and is exerced in concertation by the representants of the people which prerogatives are defined by a constitution. A republic become tyranny ceases to be a republic and is called a dictature, that is, a kingship whitout crown.

Kingship is not special in the fact that it deforms: all forms of government deform into tyranny, because all forms of government are dependent on a creature that is inherently flawed, namely man. One tyrant is better than two hundred. In a republic power is derived, ultimately, from the mass, who over time becomes more susceptible to suggestion and easily controlled: they become a mob. The people cannot be trusted. A republic becomes a tyranny the moment that decision making ceases to be a matter of the commonweal and favours chaos over order, immorality over morality, selfishness over community. All tyrannies and all governments have that in common: the sovereign, be it one or several, has but one goal, which is the encouragement of virtue and order among its subjects. A single tyrant cannot mutilate this virtue and this order to any degree comparable to the tyranny of the multitude.

A dictator is not a king without a crown, a dictator is a dictator, and nothing more: he lacks the legitimacy of the crowned head, which is elected by those who are naturally superior and is anointed as a servant of the Divine. The Kingship becomes perverse when the King ceases to serve God and makes God serve him-- as happens in Absolutism. The republic, or better put in Aquinas' words, the polity, is the worst system because it is, in the long run, the most destructive, as has been proven by the rise of liberal republicanism and all of its children, from communism to national socialism.

Ultimately, j'aime mieux obéir à un beau lion qui est né beaucoup plus sort que moi, qu'à deux cents rats de mon espèce.

Had the British won much of the western part of the country would have remained undeveloped Indian territory administered by Spaniards.

I suppose it's handy to use the net, an invention impossible without the US, to bitch that we shouldn't exist though.

Because the internet and computers in general have nothing to do with the industrial revolution in Europe or the German scientists like Konrad Zuse who developed the earliest modern computers.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes Belgium was a French vassal state from it's conception. Flemish was banned in the courts, banned in the government and banned in the education system and wasn't even considered a national language. Just a "mere dialect" -- even-though the majority of 4 million Belgians of the mid 1800s spoke Flemish. The flag ? The colours are based on the colours of Brabant.. but the flag design:



Architecture ? Everything had to be French. This style was used a lot in Brussels:







A Flemish version for the national anthem, the Brabançonne ? Only in 1938. The original lyrics were just an outright attack on the Dutch Royal Family. Language ? The first Equality Law dates from 1898 when official publications had to be in Flemish and French. But official bilingualism dates from the 1930s and was settled officially in 1961.



The franskiljons (French elite) claimed some more land after World War I because they were angry that the Netherlands had remained neutral. The Flemish and the Allies in general were against it. The franskiljons and the French in favour. They never got the land. They even claimed the entire country of Luxembourg.

During the 19th century the French elite cynically used Flemish and Walloons for their own cynical goals and in 1830 the original goal of the Revolution was to make the new country join France.

[Ouistreham]

I have more respect for the American Revolution.

There's still some on your lips, wipe it off, have a kleenex. And a life.

[The Lawspeaker]

There's still some on your lips, wipe it off, have a kleenex. And a life.

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French bravery --- only attack small countries because big countries will cause you to surrender.

[Joe McCarthy]

/I]Because the internet and computers in general have nothing to do with the industrial revolution in Europe or the German scientists like Konrad Zuse who developed the earliest modern computers.

If the Germans were going to develop the net they would have so due to wartime emergency. It was the US Defense Department, due to its competition with the Soviets, that made it possible.

Actually, if you want an event that led directly to the fall of the West, as it made the Great War possible, look to German Unification. Had Bismarck been shot sometime in the 1860s the historical narrative clearly takes a turn for the better.

[Contra Mundum]

Had the British won much of the western part of the country would have remained undeveloped Indian territory administered by Spaniards.

I suppose it's handy to use the net, an invention impossible without the US, to bitch that we shouldn't exist though.

That's debatable. I still think there would have been this desire to push westward because of a growing population in the east. The British wouldn't have bothered to purchase Louisiana, they would have just took it by force. Same with Florida, probably even Cuba. The rise of the US is what kept the British from expanding their influence in the Americas. Anglo settlers would have still moved into Texas and created tensions there and Britain would have crushed the Mexicans ruthlessly. Canada and the US would be one country today. Independent with Elizabeth II as its Head of State.

[The Lawspeaker]

1871. Beautiful example of French "bravery". A bored France took too big a bite when it declared war on Prussia. Much to it's horror within half a year it was beaten to a pulp by a Germany that suddenly rallied behind Prussia and crushed France -- even parading through Paris. And even worse for the French:




That's why France choose Versailles to humiliate Germany after World War I. In Stephen Clarke's 1000 Years of Annoying the French , the French made the Germans pay for French civilians that had died or who had sustained injuries because of Allied bombardments.




Compensation may be claimed from Germany under Article 232 above in respect of the total damage under the following categories:

(1) Damage to injured persons and to surviving dependents by personal injury to or death of civilians caused by acts of war, including bombardments or other attacks on land, on sea, or from the air, and all the direct consequences thereof, and of all operations of war by the two groups of belligerents wherever arising..

Treaty of Versailles. Part VIII: Reparation- ANNEX I.

France just wanted to get rid of a competitor. Of a country from which they knew they could never defeat on it's own.