Total Fertility Rate in Europe (map)

[Kess]

Well, having less people isn't necessarily too bad.

If they are part of the dependent population, then yes.
If they are part of the productive population, then no.

[Victor]

If there were more very well thought out programs to support it, like there are in some European countries.

No, it's the dead end, having kids on condition that someone provides you for this. There should be totally different motivation.

[tropicalslavic]

No, it's the dead end, having kids on condition that someone provides you for this. There should be totally different motivation.

It's not "on the condition".

Society has gone from multi-generational homes with lots of community support in raising children, to one couple living alone trying to do all of it just the two of them.

You can either bring back the old ways, or create something to compensate for them being gone. There used to be a "village". That's why people felt so comfortable having lots of children. It didn't all just fall on two adults.

A part of why many people are not having children that they would otherwise love to have is because it's a bigger responsibility to have children than it ever was before.

[Victor]

It's not "on the condition".

Society has gone from multi-generational homes with lots of community support in raising children, to one couple living alone trying to do all of it just the two of them.

You can either bring back the old ways, or create something to compensate for them being gone. There used to be a "village". That's why people felt so comfortable having lots of children. It didn't all just fall on two adults.

A part of why many people are not having children that they would otherwise love to have is because it's a bigger responsibility to have children than it ever was before.

I can't find my older message with thoughts about it to quote and I have no strength to type something similar.

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[tropicalslavic]

I can't find my older message with thoughts about it to quote and I have no strength to type something similar.

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Honestly you're a real one for that. Not a hill I'm willing to die on today either lol. Have a nice day

[Victor]

Honestly you're a real one for that. Not a hill I'm willing to die on today either lol. Have a nice day

Here it is

A person needs real motivation to have children, pretentious conversations about saving the nation or the "white race" (depending on the target audience) barely work.

First of all, it is necessary to eliminate what actively opposes fertility - that is, the propaganda of debauchery, the attitude towards abortion and divorce as something normal, the childfree and feminist movements should be recognized as extremist, that is, they should not have a voice in principle.

At the same time, it is necessary to promote family values. No one will run to give birth because of beautiful pictures and words, but when something is repeated many times, it affects the subconscious of a person. Plus, the opponents of the family should be shown as degenerates, direct enemies of your people who want it to disappear. It is necessary to show the existing links of such activists with foreign foundations that promote such things around the world.

As for religion, direct religious propaganda is not needed, because the Church is not a tool for earthly purposes and it can only alienate secular people and cause a negative reaction. This does not mean that the Church does not have the right to loudly voice its attitude to these issues. At a certain point, when society has already been sufficiently transformed in these matters, religious and secular points of view will find a natural understanding here.

Step-by-step social changes are needed. Within 10-15 years, it is necessary to completely abolish the old-age pension (except in cases of disability, person's merits to the country).

From childhood, from school, a person needs to be taught that his main support is not the state, but the family, that children are obliged to support and feed their older relatives, as they took care of them in childhood. Everyone should see children as their direct investment in the future and their own well-being.

The thinking of hedonism and extreme individualism, which is now being imposed also at the level of propaganda, should be eliminated in favor of some form of corporatism, the center of which should be the family, which will realize itself as a self-sufficient unit, on all members of which its well-being depends.

It is also necessary to destroy the dreamy thinking about life in the masses, which is also promoted through the media and culture. Many people now feel undervalued and their illusory ambitions unfulfilled, which society has imposed on them. There must be rich, middle-class, and poor people, there must be people who will be ready to do the simplest and dirtiest work without grumbling about life and without the need to import immigrants, because there are only "academics who should not dirty their hands." Only culturally/religiously close people should be accepted as immigrants, exceptions are only for outstanding specialists.

Money rewards for having children are a bit overrated and create social parasites. The only one I like is Russian "maternity capital", a sum of money given to mothers they can use to buy/build a house. interest-free loans are also good. Plus those outstanding mothers who give birth to some five children should feel some kind of privilege in society.

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