Putin proposes setting up 'Eurasian Union'

[Hevneren]

Russia is not going to make war with them as Usa.Russia has good relations with Kazakhstan,Turkmenistan they help them.what you know? you're living under concerning propaganda of Usa and you not know until now that Russia is not attacked to Georgia and only defended South Ossetia.

You have it backwards. It's you Russians who're living with propaganda. We, on the other hand, have the freest press in the world.

Norway no. 1, Russia no. 140, behind Ethiopia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

[The Lawspeaker]

You have it backwards. It's you Russians who're living with propaganda. We, on the other hand, have the freest press in the world.

Norway no. 1, Russia no. 140, behind Ethiopia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

Whoever believes such statistics is a fool. Everyone controls the press. And just statistics are usually lies as they only benefit the existing order.

[BeerBaron]

Why do you leave no room for cooperation between US-Europe-Russia? Why is it considered impossible by some of you? It would by far be the best scenario.

The alternative is pushing Russia towards the east, and setting the world up for a major future conflict. There is no need for that, unless people wish for WW3.

In an earlier post i specifically said that "i support a more moderate russia moving closer to the EU"

I think that is the ideal situation, but it looks unlikely at the moment, not impossible, but unlikely.

[BeerBaron]

Exactly! I mean, geez, it's been a whole 16 years since they threatened Norway with nuclear obliteration!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ter031598a.htm

del, didnt see the link

[Aces High]

Russians.....let me see....

Patriotic - check

Racist - check

Anti semitic - check

White - check

Heavy drinkers - check

Play football - check

yep i dont mind them as allies. up

[Albion]

Putin wants control. The more he can control the better for him and his purposes. Russia aspires domination and it's a bad thing. As usual.

True. But what Putin wants and what he gets are two different things, Russia wishes it was in a position to make demands.

Germany is so free that there are still American troops based there while the Russians are gone.

You forgot the British. There's Americans in practically every country of any importance in Europe, the Middle East and Americas.

Some cooperation is always needed. May it be a federal government or an EFTA.

Co-operation or subservience? Ask yourself that.

Why.. because the leaders of the alliance are actually European countries ?

So Germany is a European country which automatically means it will give a damn about the other countries will it?
As you have already highlighted, France and Britain in that position didn't let European states stand in their way, why would Germany?

It's already used the Southern countries as a large export market, propping up their faltering economies to fuel it's own expansion. Now we see the plan has back fired.

How ? How free and independent are Rhode Island when compared to California ?

Smaller countries co-operate. Hence you see Britain and France, former enemies getting very friendly in the post-colonial world.
They co-operate out of necessity, the Netherlands is in a position to do the same with the Benelux.

The USSR and Russia are two different things. The last one is run by Russians, the first one wasn't.

You are jest? The USSR had a influential non-Russian minority but was still a Russian Empire.
Russia is not the heir to the USSR, but the reformed continuation of the same nation.

Then I think that the Benelux in general should work together with Germany rather then France while also forming our own block. For the time being a workable solution.

I agree.

Well it's not like the USSR had such a great time during WWII, no ?

War isn't nice for anyone.

While Britain itself has also been massively Americanised. I have noticed it when I was there.

You can't see the distinctions between British and American. Such a distinction isn't massive anyway with the shared Anglo culture.

You forget that the Americans and later on the British and French stooges had nuclear missiles pointed at every major city in the USSR.

That's the cold war as we discussed above.

[Hevneren]

You dont speak for europeans, since last i checked, the neatherlands didnt encompass all of europe, which is certainly not a homogeneous area anyways.

Don't shatter Civis Batavi's fragile illusion of a European Federation ruled by the Dutch. You see, he has appointed himself as a spokesman for all Europeans and sees himself fit to lecture us about our own countries.

[Hevneren]

A European alliance has jack shit to do with Brussels. Brussels themselves are a bunch of stooges anyway and big bankers. They are simply the big form of your average Dutch or Norwegian government. Just about as democratic, independent and honest. And they are about as legitimate as them: not at all.

Ah, but you can count on those Russians though! Not like they had a giant "union" for decades and suppressed people's liberties via tanks and the Red Army. Yeah, a "man of steel" is obviously much preferred to a bureaucratic nightmare.

[Äike]

Whoever believes such statistics is a fool. Everyone controls the press. And just statistics are usually lies as they only benefit the existing order.

Oh come on. Free press does exist, maybe not in your undemocratic country, but the Nordic countries truly have a very free press.

I'll bring an example, like Estonia, which has been picked as the most democratic country in the world, in some rankings.

There have been articles about Muslims taking over/conquering Europe, in the main newspapers. No one is censored. Topics(immigration question, homosexualism topic etc.), which are censored in some countries, aren't censored here.

[Loki]

In an earlier post i specifically said that "i support a more moderate russia moving closer to the EU"

I think that is the ideal situation, but it looks unlikely at the moment, not impossible, but unlikely.

The EU is at least partly to blame for that - incessant anti-Russian propaganda in the press, with the hope of whipping up anti-Russian sentiment among the less knowledgeable class of people who believe everything they read in newspapers and political magazines.

Why should Russia trust Europe and countries like the UK, who unashamedly harbor and give asylum to some of the greatest criminals and plunderers of Russia like Berezovsky? And why do they keep on hammering on evil men like Khodorkovsky to be released, as if it's some kind of human rights issue? Khodorkovsky and Berezovsky have done more harm to Russia than Osama Bin Laden has done to America.