Are we under rating turkey?

**~~Cristiano viejo~~** · 02-28-2021, 07:07 PM

I think yes, Turkey is First World, so all the Turkish immigrants in Europe have to have the obligation of returning there ALREADY.

**Hektor12** · 02-28-2021, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Zeno

the latter literally buttblasted fully armed Turks by the dozens of thousands.

Pontid, i dont want to go hard on you and hurt you by any means. But i will explain a few facts, because im another Pontid.

1- No war -or confliect ended with Turkish defeat since 1922. 1974, imia-kardak, our internal anti-terrorism operations from 74-99 and Syria & Libya campaigns. We all succeeded or defended our goals.
-In Syria, we captured our positions in the area border, were still in the positions despite pressures from Usa, Russia, Arabs etc.
-In Libya, we succesfully helped the elected government to defend capital, and they were even able to capture more land after our help. Now, new PM of Libya is a man favoured by Turkey, despite hardcore efforts by Saudi Arabs, Arab Emirates and Egypt Junta. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern..._Unity_(Libya)

2- Turkish Army lack of equipment and being incompeten is funny. As TAF is by now one of the most battle ready, effectively-proven armed forces and relying on domestic technology more day-by-day. Dont forget: armenians were also thinking that Azerbaijan Army is incompetent and they were so shocked theyre still not recovered after months.

3- Future vision of the army is "less combatants-more effective combat" with relying on high technology and automated systems. This is not a threat to Greece though, they most possible thing between us is some vessels ramming each others and perhaps a few shots by water cannon. I dont -realistically- see a conflict with Greece.

**Hektor12** · 02-28-2021, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo

I think yes, Turkey is First World, so all the Turkish immigrants in Europe have to have the obligation of returning there ALREADY.

**Incal** · 02-28-2021, 07:32 PM

Don't think so. Life in Turkey is miserable, specially for women.

**Hektor12** · 02-28-2021, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

Don't think so. Life in Turkey is miserable, specially for women.

This happens when a nation thinks religious & conservative politicians are better.

Should be a LESSON for European countries. Populist right-wingers are only a dead-end.

**Zeno** · 02-28-2021, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by DarkSecret

Year by year Greece is expanding:

Unlawfully given islands by Italy.

Given the fact that you're an neo-Ottomanist, aka a neo-imperialist, I am not surprised you're that dense.

You do know all the coloured lands in the map were always inhabited by Greeks and they constituted the majority? Don't you?

The further right from the coloured islands were until 1923 by a vast majority inhabited by Greeks. The city right across from Chios, Smyrna, was 80% Greek at least. And the coast was almost entirely inhabited by Greeks.

If anyone is maximalistic, it's you.

**Incal** · 02-28-2021, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hektor12

This happens when a nation thinks religious & conservative politicians are better.

Should be a LESSON for European countries. Populist right-wingers are only a dead-end.

Generally speaking, and regardless of ideology, I think no human should be adored as a deity.

**Ryujin** · 02-28-2021, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Incal

Don't think so. Life in Turkey is miserable, specially for women.

Turkey is not the champion of women's rights but I know what you are implying and that is not the case in Turkey. Women can wear what they want and most women can go around uncovered which is not the case in other Islamic countries. I can go for a drink with my female colleagues and such, this is not Saudi Arabia.

Also Turkey gave women their rights before many nations in the West.

**Zeno** · 02-28-2021, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ryujin

Turkey is not the champion of women's rights but I know what you are implying and that is not the case in Turkey. Women can wear what they want and most women can go around uncovered which is not the case in other Islamic countries. I can go for a drink with my female colleagues and such, this is not Saudi Arabia.

Also Turkey gave women their rights before many nations in the West.

Greece here is from 1929, with the regional elections.

As for Turkey, they might have given it, but was it practically implemented?

**Ryujin** · 02-28-2021, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Zeno

Greece here is from 1929, with the regional elections.

As for Turkey, they might have given it, but was it practically implemented?

Lol what do you mean practically? women can vote and can be elected without any problem. The most popular opposition leader is a female. There are female mayors, parliament members etc. and we have had female prime ministers as well.

If you're talking about 1930s, then that must be a joke because Atatürk gave so much importance to women's rights and the first female war pilot in the world was Turkish.