How big is the difference between the French from the North and the South?

[aherne]

I've been to N, E, SE France and I can tell you there is a difference, but well within same "genotype". In Languedoc, Med element is almost dominant (if you add Alpine it's 70%), but there is too much KN to make that area Southern European. In areas like Amiens or Chartres, I found KN element to be almost dominant plus a Germanic element that is nonexistent in Languedoc.

[Petalpusher]

This is your map and it's better:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...d=121415&stc=1

Limony looks the most "northern" to me by a landslide, that's right on the border with Isère. Everything else is more interchangeable even the Orne morph, which is where you would expect the Limony morph to be but it's in central-south east instead. The southwest looks a bit different as well, larger headed. Not surprising because it actually matches genetic, the southwest is more mid neo/whg and it looks like it. Some Normands are very northern shifted around the coast, Bretons are celtic to an extreme (high North Atlantic type of score) but besides that the central east is more Baltic like, than often even the northeast and Belgians for some reasons. Maybe an old Burgundian kingdom effect. Either way harder to see in real than with old pictures, as there are so many foreigners nowadays as well, especially Italians in the region. But it becomes apparent with old morphs, although overall i agree not that much difference. When you see the morphs of north, central and south Italy it's not even close to that. It would be interesting to have some more morphs, particularly in the northeast if Beraud can find that.

[Oliver109]

I've been to N, E, SE France and I can tell you there is a difference, but well within same "genotype". In Languedoc, Med element is almost dominant (if you add Alpine it's 70%), but there is too much KN to make that area Southern European. In areas like Amiens or Chartres, I found KN element to be almost dominant plus a Germanic element that is nonexistent in Languedoc.

I don't think Keltic Nordic is that common in northern France, main elements there seem to be atlantid alpines, subnordic, alpine Brunn mixes, norics and mixed borreby types.

[Boudin]

Bretons are celtic to an extreme (high North Atlantic type of score)

Modern Breton morphs look extremely West Alpinid though, at least the ones I posted on the modern version of the map.

[Septentrion]

I don't think Keltic Nordic is that common in northern France, main elements there seem to be atlantid alpines, subnordic, alpine Brunn mixes, norics and mixed borreby types.

The Subnordid is much more important racially in Northern France than the Keltic Nordid. This is because of a stronger presence of Western Alpinids in France. Almost all phenotypes there go through some Alpinization processing.

[Septentrion]

I don't think Keltic Nordic is that common in northern France, main elements there seem to be atlantid alpines, subnordic, alpine Brunn mixes, norics and mixed borreby types.

Almost two-thirds of the ethnic French population are either West Alpinid or Subnordid in racial phenotype.

[Petalpusher]

Modern Breton morphs look extremely West Alpinid though, at least the ones I posted on the modern version of the map.

Seems like it's the case politicians are overwelmingly old and fat or they would do something else with their life. That's more like it.

Alpinid is originally this "type"

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None of the morphs look anywhere close to that. Not even the SW morph and ironically enough the closest region to the Alps looks the most distant to it where it should allegedly be the highest and found in its most unaltered form, which didn't even make sense on the plate to begin with as they all look different, before "guys on the internet" injected their own layer of retardation into it.


This pseudo science fails to replicate or predict anything, which is the cornerstone of a science. So from now on, anyone who talks about it seriously goes into my retard list CFG style.

[Autrigón]

France is essentially intermediate between England and Southern Germany on the one hand and Spain and Italy (less so towards Southern regions in the latter) on the other. Trying to argue that the French are necessarily closer to one of these groups than the other is mostly a futile exercise IMO.

From the Middle Age until the XVIII century entire towns and regions of the spanish kingdoms were repopulated with french. Not only nothern Spain, they settled in far away regions as Salamanca (close ot Portugal), Galicia in the west, the eastern coast and Andalusia in the south. According to documents they came mainly from: Provence, Gascogne, central France (Poitiers area) and even from Normandie and Champagne.
In some towns there were "small civil wars" between the native spaniards and the french settlers and in most of the cases the french settlers usually won the fight because they had more people.

One of the most common surname in Spain is "Franco", that literally means "Frank" (the way a french was called by spaniards in the middle age because of the kingdom of the Franks). Nowadays you can find french surnames among spaniards as Maisonnave, Gascón, Dupuy, Albiac, Beamont, Vigueret, Pacoret, Velay, Bardin, etc.

So imagine the influence...

[Ruggery]

One of the most common surname in Spain is "Franco", that literally means "Frank" (the way a french was called by spaniards in the middle age because of the kingdom of the Franks). Nowadays you can find french surnames among spaniards as Maisonnave, Gascón, Dupuy, Albiac, Beamont, Vigueret, Pacoret, Velay, Bardin, etc.

So imagine the influence...

How strange,Except Franco i have not heard of any of those surnames, and other Spaniards like CV have said that French surnames are not common.

[Boudin]

Seems like it's the case politicians are overwelmingly old and fat or they would do something else with their life.

I redid Breton morphs using linkedin profiles instead of politicians, where their location was Brittany and last name was Breton. Presumably this excludes (almost) everyone who isn't native to Brittany:

The guy looks Atlantid to me: