No, southern Europeans have no reason to want to be northern Europeans.

[Tutankhamun]

It is threads like this that are the truly repulsive and complexed ones (in fairness, even the author himself renounced it, but then he seems to be a rather unstable individual anyway): ]

Tooting, eu sei que você fala português então escreverei isso em português para evitar discussões desnecessárias, esse rapaz de fato não parece ser "mentalmente estável" pelos post que vejo dele, se bem que todo norte-americano desse fórum parece ser igual ou pior do que ele...

[Alexandro]

This thread is still going on, wow. Impressive.

[JamesBond007]

Yes, that is surely what is to be accredited for its success the haplogroups. Definitely nothing to do with the early urbanization (under Roman supervision), the agricultural and atmospheric consistency, the protection from any massive civilisational upheaval such as invasion etc, both geographically and due to their importance, the inheritance of kingdoms possessing infrastructure descending from the time of Rome as well as the capacity to which urbanisation could be continued. It is definitely to do with their haplogroup!

Urbanization etc.. is key that is why niggers are still niggers , right ?

West Germanics and to a lesser degree Germanics are biologically superior relatively speaking and absolute superiority does not exist e.g. blacks are superior at pointless peasant activities such as basketball which is a counterfeit of action in the traditional sense of the word.

Everyone knows Dutch, Germans and English people know how to order their societies unlike Greeks and Italians (Romans)

[Arch Hades]

Northern Europeans have no reason to want to be Southern European either. Southern Europe may have been more developed in the past, but it's not the case anymore, and since a long time. And the influence of a cultural Nordic center before the Iron Age (Atlantis or Hyperborea), and of migrations from the North over Southern and Eastern civilizations must no be neglected.



Actually, at the time when the whole Mediterranean basin was submit to Rome, Celts like the Picts or the Hibernians were among the peoples who were still not under its cut. Romans lost dramatically against the Picts. And the Celts oh Britain were among the first peoples to freed themselves from the Roman yoke.

Romans did not win against the Gauls without the major help from other Gauls, namely the Eduens. And Celtic warriors were renowned for their military value and largely recruited in the Roman army because of this.

I'd take lower GDP and lower HDI over having millions of Muslims and Blacks in my country.

[Arch Hades]

Urbanization etc.. is key that is why niggers are still niggers , right ?

West Germanics and to a lesser degree Germanics are biologically superior relatively speaking and absolute superiority does not exist e.g. blacks are superior at pointless peasant activities such as basketball which is a counterfeit of action in the traditional sense of the word.

Everyone knows Dutch, Germans and English people know how to order their societies unlike Greeks and Italians (Romans)

Yeah the English are so good at organizing their society, that's why the have Black Lives Matter Protests there and import millions of non Whites.

[Universe]

Spoiler!

Also the very popular fairy tales Cinderella, Puss in the boots, Sleeping Beauty, Snowwhite, Hansel and Gretel, Pinocchio are not nordic..but from NAPOLI and Collodi Tuscany...

The stories in the Pentamerone were collected by Basile and published posthumously in two volumes by his sister Adriana in Naples, Italy, in 1634 and 1636 under the pseudonym Gian Alesio Abbatutis. These stories were later adapted by Charles Perrault and the Brothers Grimm, the latter making extensive, acknowledged use of Basile's collection. Examples of this are versions of Cinderella, Rapunzel, Puss in Boots, Sleeping Beauty, and Hansel and Gretel, Snowwhite....


Classic music craddle.. Italy
Fairy tales ... Italy
French cuisine ... Italy Caterina de Medici ( the queen of Europe )
Parfume .... Venice
Fashion..... Venice
Modern University ..Bologna- Padova Italy
Math .... Italy
Science ... Galileo ( Also Platone Aristotle Leonardo da Vinci...ecc ecc knew that the language of nature is math.... so forget English Francis Bacon who arrived hundreds years later..)
Law ... Rome ( please don't name common law.. that was built on roman law )
Baroque/rococò style.. Italy
Classical style.. Italy
Also Gothic style has the roots in Italy and not in France because the first gothic Church in France is a copy of San Lorenzo Church in GENOVA..

San Lorenzo church Genova Italy 1098 A.D.




Saint Denise Church in France 1270 A.D. ( the first example of gothic church architecture )



From Scandinavia ?....... Gay theory... gay adoption....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...urnal_articles
List of countries by number of scientific and technical journal articles
Articles published (2018)
Sweden : 20,421
One of the best countries in terms of articles/capita.

[Immanenz]

This guy: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/me...hp?27013-Sheva


He was of jewish origin, he openly talked about it multiple times.

He was coping.

Point was there are more than 1 % Scandos that could potentially pass outside of Euro (passing/ or looking stereotypical is something else- some will say Ribery looks Jewish while others say he could pass, so i m just using passing).

I remember cass trying to fool me with dark haired Norwegian politicians while asking if i would classify them as North Pontid and one of them was a clearly Jewish looking as well.

[Sebastianus Rex]

@Sebastianus Rex: although it is true that the French work fewer hours and have longer holidays than most others, the difference is when they do work they actually produce more compared to others per hour - precisely for being healthier and less stressed. Also, Portugal is definitely still poorer than France, but the poverty is mostly rural, whereas France's poverty is mostly urban, which usually leads to much more violence and incivility.

Already addressed this productivity index definition but I have to correct you about it, since most people don't know what actually mean.

The productivity ranks that list many countries with the highest per capita revenues on top are based on the per capita GDP of the labour force, divided by hours worked with plus some adjustmentssuch as inflation, PPP etc...it is a definition highly based on revenue/income not on actual production of the labour force.

In your naivety (or arrogance) did you really believe a British factory worker produces more in a 8 hours working day than a Chinese who works 12-14 hours and has even a higher work pace because the supervisors have them by the whip?

Imagine a British worker who produces 10 pieces of machinery on a regular 8 hour working day, while the chinese produces 20 on a 12 hour working day.

According to that productivity definition the English would appear as the more productive because his personal GDP is much higher and so is his per hour, also because he produced a product with a higher value/cost while the chinese actually produced more in semi slavery conditions and generated a lower per capita GDP, lower per hour and a product with a lower cost/value. But for the employer of the factory who is actually more productive?



Since it is a concept highly based on value/income generated This contrasts with other definitions of productivity, such as task productivity, how many days the labour force takes to complete a task Wich is affected by working hours per day/week and the completion rate with success of those tasks etc.





Does this mean the German labour force is less productive than the Peruvian ? No, because it depends on the complexity of the tasks and the value generated by the end product, and we all know that German products have high value.

These definitions must be taken in consideration and looked upon with carefully, combining the multiple criteria and indicators available.

If we go just by an oversimplified rank of labour productivity based on "muh northern euro productivity supreme, south lazy" because of higher GDP generated then China wouldn't be producing pretty much all the electronic devices we own and becoming the factory of the World, neither wouldn't west euro factories go to eastern Europe or USA factories to Mexico.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ah! Glad you guys talk about DeGaulle, you might learn a thing or two.

The quote Centurion made was supposedly about a letter from DeGaulle written in 1945. At that time there was no Iberian immigration to France, it was a post war phenomena, in the case of Portuguese it only really became significant in the 1960's after the Portuguese colonial war started and migration to the colonies became very limited by the government.

It is obvious that by the context and year the letter was written DeGaulle couldn't be referring to Iberians (most likely not even to Italians or other southern Europeans) when he wrote "l’afflux des Méditerranéens et des Orientaux" but rather to people from their colonies in North Africa, Indochina and protectorates in the middle east such as Lebanon etc.

DeGaulle publicly expressed is concern about keeping the European and christian character of France because he feared the islamisation and massive influx from ex colonials in the future Wich time prove him right.

But interesting that you (someone with an history of posting obsessed about the pigmentational differences between Europeans behind the cape of well intended universalism) and Centurion (a latinized neo-nazi Nordic wannabe expatriate) take such creative liberty about the racial views of general DeGaulle when this was actually what he said/wrote in public:

« C'est très bien qu'il y ait des Français jaunes, des Français noirs, des Français bruns. Ils montrent que la France est ouverte à toutes les races et qu'elle a une vocation universelle. Mais à condition qu'ils restent une petite minorité. Sinon, la France ne serait plus la France.

Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche, de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne. Qu'on ne se raconte pas d'histoire! Les musulmans, vous êtes allés les voir? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leurs djellabas? Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français. Ceux qui prônent l'intégration ont une cervelle de colibri, même s'ils sont très savants.

Essayez d'intégrer de l'huile et du vinaigre. Agitez la bouteille. Au bout d'un moment, ils se sépareront de nouveau. Les Arabes sont des Arabes, les Français sont des Français. Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans, qui demain seront vingt millions et après-demain quarante? Si nous faisions l'intégration, si tous les Arabes et les Berbères d'Algérie étaient considérés comme Français, comment les empêcherez-vous de venir s'installer en métropole, alors que le niveau de vie y est tellement plus élevé? Mon village ne s'appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées. »

His words were prophetic regarding the islamisation of France, and as you see his concept of the French people was " an European people of white race, of Greek and Latin culture and of Christian faith".

Now stop being a useful idiot feeding jerks like Centurion, you are half Colombian and homosexual do you think he has the slightest consideration for someone like you?

I'm not endorsing Centurion at all - many of his beliefs quite frankly strike me as being deranged. Still, it is interesting that European immigration was certainly not as favoured and popular as revisionists and amnesiacs of various stripes like to claim. From Centurion's post, apparently there was an attempt to introduce quotas on the number of Mediterranean immigrants, and to favour other Northern Europeans instead: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7203321

[Centurion]

That's quite telling imo.

The strategies used by the German army were similar with those prone by French officers like De Gaulle. They were not listened unfortunately. The freemason 3rd republic was a less efficient regime than National-Socialism. No problem about it. But the superiority of the German army was not only over the French ones, but over every allied armies. The British army too was routed. The reason why Hitler stopped the progression of the army while it was about to crush them may have been for logistical reason or because Hitler wanted to be magnanimous and propose peace one more time, not all historians agree. But luckily for them the Rossbeef could run away to their rainy island while the French were covering their ass.

Germany benefited at first of a surprise effect. Obviously, the direct German neighbors, Poland and France, were the first to fall. Later Germany didn't benefit of this surprise effect so it was harder. As for Spain, it's understandable that Hitler didn't want to open another front, while against France he was forced to act since France had declared war to Germany. If the Spaniards had not been weaklings though, they would have taken Gibraltar as it was asked to them, instead of acting like neutral pussies.

Since WW2, war often make more casualties among the civilians than among the military unfortunately. The War of Algeria wasn't an exception. Doesn't mean that the FLN was not routed and dominated. As for the Harkis casualties, the real number of dead and vanished ones during the war is 50000. Still largely under the number the 150000 dead among the anti-France Algerian military. But to this is also added the number of Harkis who were slaughtered by the Algerians after the Evian Accords and while the French Army was not protecting them. Their number is estimated between 10000 and 150000, but the majority of historians think it was 60000-70000.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerre_d%27Alg%C3%A9rie
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_de_harkis

France, Italy, Germany and UK are the big 4 of scientific achievements during the 1400-1950. That's it. No Iberians are able to prove the contrary. Yes, they have the reputation to be sluggish and lazy unlike SR believe. It's just that people are too nice to tell him. The productivity index take in account the countries of OECD, China is not part of it so his argument is irrelevant. As I've said, the IP was still poorer than Argentina until the 1960s. It's not comparable with France and it's not a bunch of infrastructure in 2 African shitholes which will compensate that.

When de Gaulle spoke about "les Méditerranéens" he's obviously referring to the previous waves of immigration from Southern Europe, otherwise, he would not have been stressed that Nordic immigration should have been favored.

anyway bonne chance !

Obrigada!