Austrian lives matter

[fortress europe]

What do austrian nationalists want more? Restore the Habsburg Empire or joining to Germany?

The word "Nationalism" in Austria today is associated with pan-Germanism and N*zis. The current right-wing organized in the FPÖ are patriotic and they have no ambitions to build any Empire of the past (k.u.k Monarchie or German Empire). They just want to restrict immigration, but believe in the "good, integrated foreigner" that might vote for them. That's the mentality of most right-wingers in Austria. After the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian there were many rivaling political parties organized in 3 major camps(Christian Social Party, Social Democrats and various folkish groups). In interwar Austria they had paramilitaries and were fighting for political supremacy. Left-wing wanted to unify with Germany(Weimar Republic) too not only Austrian NSDAP. This is a bit of an historic overview. We know how the story went on...
But I'd say majority of Austrian patriots are law and order types and believe in this small, irrelevant state with no historic task. N*zis are marginalized due to legal reasons and monarchists irrelevant in the political landscape.

[Blondie]

The word "Nationalism" in Austria today is associated with pan-Germanism and N*zis. The current right-wing organized in the FPÖ are patriotic and they have no ambitions to build any Empire of the past (k.u.k Monarchie or German Empire). They just want to restrict immigration, but believe in the "good, integrated foreigner" that might vote for them. That's the mentality of most right-wingers in Austria.

I know the austrian far right was divided, some wanted to restore the Habsburgs, some followed Dollfuß's austrofascism and some wanted to joining to Germany. This is very interesting that FPÖ does not idealize any of them. Seems they are not really far right rather just regular conservatives.

[rothaer]

I know the austrian far right was divided, some wanted to restore the Habsburgs, some followed Dollfuß's austrofascism and some wanted to joining to Germany. This is very interesting that FPÖ does not idealize any of them. Seems they are not really far right rather just regular conservatives.

Austria is another German North Korea (besides the FRG) in respect to polical freedom. It's simply impossible to officially promote various things like a German re-unification etc. This is criminalised. So the current picture is not showing what Austrians (and FRG Germans) would think and say if they were free in that aspect.

[Kess]

Austria is another German North Korea (besides the FRG) in respect to polical freedom.

Is this some kind of banter? East Germany was North Korea of Germans but it doesn't exist anymore. How are FRG and Austria German North Korea?

[rothaer]

Is this some kind of banter? East Germany was North Korea of Germans but it doesn't exist anymore. How are FRG and Austria German North Korea?

I expressly don't refer to North Korea economically but in the matter of political freedom.

Just two small examples out of thousand possible ones:

You get punished by criminal law in the FRG when you hum the melody of the Horst Wessel song in public (!). And in Austria as well if you promote a re-unification of Austria and other parts of Germany as this is assessed as a Wiederbetätigung (re-doing) of National Socialism - unregarded that it was a political aim of essentially all political parties (!).

[Kess]

I expressly don't refer to North Korea economically but in the matter of political freedom.

You get punished by criminal law in the FRG when you hum the melody of the Horst Wessel song in public. And in Austria if you promote a re-unification of Austria and other parts of Germany as this is assessed as a Wiederbetätigung (re-doing) of National Socialism (regardless that it was a political aim of essentially all political parties), which is also criminalised.

LMAO. Do you really think that when East Germany existed, it was much more politically free than FRG and Austria? I think your view is too far-fetched. Of course, both Japan and Germany have some laws due to World War II. For example, Article 9 of the Constitution of Japan bans war as a means of settling international disputes and outlaws the maintenance of a military. Nevertheless, there are many things that set them apart from North Korea: not being communist, not being a one-party state, not being a dictatorship, etc.

[fortress europe]

LMAO. Do you really think that when East Germany existed, it was much more politically free than FRG and Austria? I think your view is too far-fetched. Of course, both Japan and Germany have some laws due to World War II. For example, Article 9 of the Constitution of Japan bans war as a means of settling international disputes and outlaws the maintenance of a military. Nevertheless, there are many things that set them apart from North Korea: not being communist, not being a one-party state, not being a dictatorship, etc.

You won't get tortured like in a Marxist-Leninist state However the laws regulating free speech were passed down by an actual communist country( the USSR).

[rothaer]

LMAO. Do you really think that when East Germany existed, it was much more politically free than FRG and Austria?

No and I also did not state so.

I think your view is too far-fetched. Of course, both Japan and Germany have some laws due to World War II. For example, Article 9 of the Constitution of Japan bans war as a means of settling international disputes and outlaws the maintenance of a military. Nevertheless, there are many things that set them apart from North Korea: not being communist, not being a one-party state, not being a dictatorship, etc.

It is admittedly an exaggeration. But it is intended to draw attention to the fact that many people are not aware of the enormous lack of freedom that exists if you want to leave the mainstream in a certain direction. A tremendous lack of freedom compared to other countries that are generally regarded as liberal. This political oppression must be made public and made aware so that it can hopefully be abolished at some point. It is unbearable and humiliating.

[Kess]

You won't get tortured like in a Marxist-Leninist state However the laws regulating free speech were passed down by an actual communist country( the USSR).

In Austria? How? Weren't they occupied by the Allies?

[rothaer]

In Austria? How? Weren't they occupied by the Allies?

The Soviet Union, however, was an ally and co-occupant.