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    Time ago, as I was bored and had nothing to spend time, I decided to calculate how progressive were american cities.

    Much more than I expected in fact, almost all american cities over half million inhabitants are strongly democratic, and the single ones in which republicans won, were mostly won by a narrow margin, and most times in small cities.

    I just calculated the votes by county provided by wikipedia, in all the counties inside these metropolitan areas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas

    (By the way, I also discovered how weird american urbanism is, and that these "cities" can´t be called as so, because the population density in a such big space is so low, that can´t be consideared a proper city, rather something like an "urban aglomeration" or so. In what a city properly is, the gap between republicans and democrats is even more astonishing)

    This is the data:

    1. Bay of San Francisco: R - 22,29 % - 812.218 votes / D – 77,71 % - 2.831.343 votes

    2. Washington: R - 25,97 % - 813.118 votes / D – 74,03 % - 2,317,960 votes

    3. Madison: R- 27,47 % - 111.799 / D – 72,53 % - 295.210 votes

    4. Seattle: R - 30,94 % - 633.325 votes / D – 69,06 % - 1.413.544 votes

    5. Richmond: R - 31,39 % - 306.774 votes / D – 68,61 % - 410.512 votes

    6. Boston: R - 31,54 % - 803.274 votes / D – 68,46 % - 1.743.240 votes

    7. El Paso: R- 32,29 % - 85.110 votes / D – 67,71 % - 178.497 votes

    8. Portland (Oregon): R - 34,26 % - 469.466 votes / D – 65,74 % - 900.757 votes

    9. Chicago: R - 34,33 % - 1.504.142 votes / D - 65,67 % - 2.876.775 votes

    10. Philadelphia: R - 34,98 % 1.162.423 votes / D – 65,02 % - 2.160.163 votes

    11. Springfield (Massachussetts): R – 35,53 % - 120.800 votes / D – 64,47 % - 219.340 votes

    12. Los Angeles: R - 35,54 % - 2.799.636 votes / D - 64,46 % - 5.078.481 votes

    13. New York: R - 35,95 % - 3.044.655 votes / D - 64,05 % - 5,425.061 votes

    14. Honolulu: R - 36,32 % - 136.259 votes / D – 63,68 % - 238.869 votes

    15. Austin: R - 36,33 % - 377.293 votes / D – 63,67 % - 661.325 votes

    16. Baltimore: R - 36,63 % - 507.676 votes / D – 63,77 % - 878.125 votes

    17. Portland (Maine): R - 36,72 % - 124.156 votes / D – 63,23 % - 213.476 votes

    18. Denver: R - 37,08 % - 606.185 votes / D – 62,92 % - 1.028.448 votes

    19. Raleigh-Durham: R - 37,22 % - 427.494 / D – 62,78 % - 721.002 votes

    20. New Haven-Bridgeport: R - 37,78 % - 339.932 votes / D – 62,22 % - 540.135 votes

    21. Hartford: R - 37,90 % - 234.508 votes / D – 62,10 % - 384.222 votes

    22. San Diego: R - 38,35 % - 600.094 votes / D – 61,65 % - 964.650 votes

    23. Minneapolis: R - 40,20 % - 843.877 votes / D – 59,80 % - 1.255.367 votes

    24. Tucson: R - 40,52 % - 207.758 votes / D – 59,98 % - 304.981 votes

    25. Albuquerque: R - 40,73 % - 172.445 votes / D – 59,27 % - 250.952 votes

    26. Providence: R - 41,03 % - 319.702 votes / D – 58,97 % - 459.569 votes

    27. Lansing: R - 41,48 % - 104.535 votes / D – 58,52 % - 147.479 votes

    28. Detroit: R - 41,62 % - 1.082.277 votes / D – 58,38 % - 1.518.356 votes

    29. Miami: R - 41,83 % - 1.200.953 votes / D – 58,17 % - 1.670.188 votes

    30. Rio Grande (Brownsville-McAllen): R - 42,06 % - 139.559 votes / D – 57,94 % - 192.262 votes

    31. Worcester (Massachussetts): R - 42,16 % - 200.824 votes / D – 57,84 % - 275.474 votes

    32. Sacramento: R - 42,45 – 539.853 votes / D – 57,55 % - 731.852 votes

    33. Albany: R - 42,47 % - 189.530 votes / D – 57,53 % - 256.724 votes

    34. Cleveland: R - 42,75 % - 454.238 votes / D – 57,25 % - 608.358 votes

    35. Stockton: R - 42,91 % - 121.098 votes / D – 57,09 % - 161.137 votes

    36. Atlanta: R - 43,02 % - 1.324.470 votes / D – 56,98 % - 1.754.184

    37. Memphis: R - 43,16 % - 236.569 votes / D – 56,84 % - 311.574 votes

    38. Hampton Roads (Virginia Beach - Norfolk): R - 43,31 % - 376.377 votes / D – 56,69 % - 492.590

    39. Orlando: R - 44,59 % - 569.978 votes / D – 55,41 % - 708.344 votes

    40. Rochester: R - 44,63 % - 237.420 votes / D – 55,37 % - 294.510 votes

    41. Buffalo: R - 44,73 % - 253.620 votes / D – 55,27 % - 313.299 votes

    42. Milwaukee: R - 45 % - 388.280 votes / D – 55 % - 474.600 votes

    43. Las Vegas: R - 45,23 % - 430.930 votes / D – 54,77 % - 521.852 votes

    44. Columbus: R - 45,84 % - 480.172 votes / D – 54,16 % - 567.327 votes

    45. Syracuse: R - 44,85 % - 142.261 votes / D – 55,15 % - 174.941 votes

    46. Fresno: R - 46 % - 164.464 votes / D – 54 % - 193.25 votes

    47. Des Moines: R - 46,11 % - 167.434 votes / D – 53,89 % - 195.678 votes

    48. Toledo: R - 46,60 % - 133.251 votes / D – 53,40 % - 152.692 votes

    49. Columbia: R - 47,20 % - 186.741 votes / D – 52,80 % - 208.880 votes

    50. Kansas City: R - 47,61 % - 508.524 votes / D – 52,39 % - 559.595 votes

    51. Akron: R - 47,70 % - 170.823 votes / D – 52,30 % - 187.329 votes

    52. New Orleans: R - 47,73 % - 282.595 votes / D – 52,27 % - 309.534 votes

    53. Reno: R - 47,91 % - 118.668 / D – 52,09 % - 129.030 votes

    54. San Antonio: R - 48,32 % - 495.195 votes / D – 51,68 % - 529.607 votes

    55. Saint Louis: R - 48,38 % - 694.693 votes / D – 51,62 % - 741.752 votes

    56. Indianapolis: R - 48,69 % - 437.390 votes / D – 51,61 % - 460.951 votes

    57. Jackson: R - 48,73 % - 121.012 votes / D -51,27 % - 127.344 votes

    58. Lexington: R - 48,88 % - 120.668 votes / D – 51,12 % - 125.564 votes

    59. Charleston: R - 48,99 % - 192.607 votes / D – 51,01 % - 200.532 votes

    60. Anchorage: R – 49 % - 68.169 votes / D – 51 % - 70.933 votes

    61. Dallas: R - 49,34 % - 1.495.550 votes / D - 50,66 % - 1.535.525 votes

    62. Houston: R - 49,48 % - 1.302.796 votes / D - 50,52 % - 1.330.116 votes

    63. Phoenix: R - 49,91 % - 1.121.119 votes / D – 50,09 % - 1.124.823 votes

    64. Allentown: R - 50,60 % - 225.025 votes / D – 49,40 % - 219.698 votes

    65. Louisville: R- 50,98 % - 335.133 votes / D – 49,02 % - 322.240 votes

    66. Omaha: R - 51,04 % - 236.351 votes / D – 48,96 % - 226.698 votes

    67. Pittsburgh: R - 51,14 % - 683.142 votes / D – 48,86 % - 652.582 votes

    68. Charlotte: R - 51,20 % - 739.787 votes / D – 48,80 % - 704.988 votes

    69. Tampa: R - 51,30 % - 853.640 votes / D – 48,70 % - 810.409 votes

    70. Harrisburg: R - 52,38 % - 161.913 / D – 45,97 % - 143.604 votes

    71. Augusta (Georgia): R - 52,59 % - 151.308 / D – 47,41 % - 136.387 votes

    72. Youngstown: R - 52,98 % - 115.097 votes / D – 47,02 % - 102.160 votes

    73. Grand Rapids: R - 53,08 % - 309.126 votes / D – 46,92 % - 275.224 votes

    74. Little Rock: R - 53,90 % - 170.821 votes / D – 46,10 % - 146.120 votes

    75. Spokane: R - 54,03 % - 168.808 votes / D – 45,97 % - 143.604 votes

    76. Greensboro – Winston Salem: R - 54,20 % 488.608 votes / D – 45,80 % - 412.860 votes

    77. Bakersfield: R - 55,22 % - 164.484 votes / D – 44,78 % - 133.366 votes

    78. Nashville: R - 55,27 % - 493.356 votes / D – 44,73 % - 399.251 votes

    79. Baton Rouge: R - 55,72 % - 219.705 votes / D – 44,28 % - 174.546 votes

    80. Dayton: R - 55,76 % - 239.499 votes / D – 44,24 % - 190.018 votes

    81. Colorado Springs: R - 56,13 % - 214.069 votes / D – 43,86 % - 167.219 votes

    82. Jacksonville: R - 56,50 % - 483.665 votes / D – 43,50 % - 372.334 votes

    83. Sarasota-Bradenton: R - 56,52 % - 273.357 votes / D – 43,48 % - 210.276 votes

    84. Birmingham: R - 56,80 % - 303.030 votes / D – 46,92 % - 275.224 votes

    85. Cincinnati: R - 57 % - 644.945 votes / D – 43 % - 486.448 votes

    86. Salt Lake City: R - 57,23 % - 641.321 votes / D – 42,77 % - 479.192 votes

    87. Lakeland: R - 57,29 % - 194.586 votes / D - 42.71 % - 145.049 votes

    88. Boise City: R - 58,03 % - 207.713 votes / D – 41,97 % - 150.243 votes

    89. Deltona-Daytona Beach: R - 58,27 % - 216.864 votes / D – 41,73 % - 158.736 votes

    90. Palm Bay: R - 58,32 % - 207.883 votes / D – 41,68 % - 148.549 votes

    91. Oklahoma City: R - 58,56 % - 316.731 votes / D – 41,44 % - 224.083 votes

    92. Wichita: R - 58,81 % -163.337 votes / D – 41,19 % - 114.389 votes

    93. Cape Coral-Cape Myers: 59,66 % - 233.247 votes / D – 40,34 % - 157.695 votes

    94. Knoxville: R - 62,87 % - 216.806 votes / D – 37,13 % - 128.043 votes

    95. Chattanooga: R – 63,40 % - 162.280 votes / D - 36,60 % - 93.660 votes

    96. Pensacola: R – 63,85 % - 174.059 / D – 36,15 % - 98.541 votes

    97. Greenville: R - 64,38 % - 374.057 % / D – 35,62 % - 206.929 votes

    98. Tulsa: R - 64,41 % - 263.120 votes / D – 35,59 % - 145.348 votes

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    i've always wondered why urban areas are so lib/leftie and rural areas so conservative/rightie. It seems to be a trend that holds across most of the world and across much of modern history as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManVsBear View Post
    i've always wondered why urban areas are so lib/leftie and rural areas so conservative/rightie. It seems to be a trend that holds across most of the world and across much of modern history as well.
    America is not even a real Democracy because it does not have a proportional representation system. Modern America is practically a one party rule : Oligarchy or corporotracy.

    Don't fall for the liberal-conservative dichotomy. It is false and misleading, and is easily used by tyrants to restrict freedom. For example, your 'conservative' tyrants have given you a 'war on drugs' which has eviscerated many of your rights; while your liberal tyrants have given you 'civil rights' which have eviscerated even more rights. The point is that the only real political divide is between small government (whose harm is limited) and Big Government (whose harm seems to be unlimited) -- a divide which really translates into the question of how much taxes should the government be allowed to impose on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManVsBear View Post
    i've always wondered why urban areas are so lib/leftie and rural areas so conservative/rightie. It seems to be a trend that holds across most of the world and across much of modern history as well.
    Urban areas tend to be more youthful, more turbulent, more cosmopolitan (even if not in the sense of having lots of people from around the world, then at least lots of people from around the country), more industrial and more poverty-stricken.

    And looking at the OP's list, while the Republican cities tend to be whiter than the Democratic ones, there is no absolute rule about it. For example Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Nashville and Birmingham have large Afram populations, while Salt Lake City has lots of Hispanics. Much more notable, however, is how multiracial the ones that are only marginally Democrat often are: Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, St Louis, San Antonio, New Orleans, Fresno, Las Vegas, Orlando, Memphis, Atlanta, Sacramento, Miami, Detroit, Minneapolis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Urban areas tend to be more youthful, more turbulent, more cosmopolitan (even if not in the sense of having lots of people from around the world, then at least lots of people from around the country), more industrial and more poverty-stricken.

    And looking at the OP's list, while the Republican cities tend to be whiter than the Democratic ones, there is no absolute rule about it. For example Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Nashville and Birmingham have large Afram populations, while Salt Lake City has lots of Hispanics. Much more notable, however, is how multiracial the ones that are only marginally Democrat often are: Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, St Louis, San Antonio, New Orleans, Fresno, Las Vegas, Orlando, Memphis, Atlanta, Sacramento, Miami, Detroit, Minneapolis...
    Cities with big hispanic populations tend to have huge abstention numbers.

    Also, to mention: state capital cities tend to be more liberal than surrounding cities. Washington, the national capital, even more, due to the abundance of public workers. Also cities with statal universities or high-tech hubs, are very liberal (San Francisco, Austin, Denver)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Urban areas tend to be more youthful, more turbulent, more cosmopolitan (even if not in the sense of having lots of people from around the world, then at least lots of people from around the country), more industrial and more poverty-stricken.
    then you get into question of why those traits in urban areas lead to more "left" attitudes.

    Also, I'm pretty sure poverty is more common as a percentage in rural areas, though it may be more visible in denser areas obviously.

    In regards to original question though, there are obviously many factors. For one, partisan/ideological geographic sorting is probably a major factor. In modern us context, I've heard some say that the density of population in cities might lead to a greater sense of collectivism and a sense that a bigger government is needed to ensure a functional society, where as rural areas would tend towards more individualist/libertarian attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    then you get into question of why those traits in urban areas lead to more "left" attitudes.

    Also, I'm pretty sure poverty is more common as a percentage in rural areas, though it may be more visible in denser areas obviously.

    In regards to original question though, there are obviously many factors. For one, partisan/ideological geographic sorting is probably a major factor. In modern us context, I've heard some say that the density of population in cities might lead to a greater sense of collectivism and a sense that a bigger government is needed to ensure a functional society, where as rural areas would tend towards more individualist/libertarian attitudes.
    Yes and no. People in rural areas tend to be more collectivist (read traditional) on social issues, while perhaps more individualistic on economic issues. In cities it is mostly the other way round. Dinesh D'Souza once said "mainstream leftists want to get out of the bedroom and into the pocketknife. Mainstream rightists want to get out of the pocketknife and into the bedroom".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    then you get into question of why those traits in urban areas lead to more "left" attitudes.

    Also, I'm pretty sure poverty is more common as a percentage in rural areas, though it may be more visible in denser areas obviously.

    In regards to original question though, there are obviously many factors. For one, partisan/ideological geographic sorting is probably a major factor. In modern us context, I've heard some say that the density of population in cities might lead to a greater sense of collectivism and a sense that a bigger government is needed to ensure a functional society, where as rural areas would tend towards more individualist/libertarian attitudes.
    So England is a rural backwater ? You need Mugabe to function ?


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    English island mentality takes the form of a well-developed sense of individual personal freedom. They are fond of their rights, especially the right to privacy and the right to preserve one’s personal space. This is an area surrounding each individual, which it is not good manners to invade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    then you get into question of why those traits in urban areas lead to more "left" attitudes.

    Also, I'm pretty sure poverty is more common as a percentage in rural areas, though it may be more visible in denser areas obviously.

    In regards to original question though, there are obviously many factors. For one, partisan/ideological geographic sorting is probably a major factor. In modern us context, I've heard some say that the density of population in cities might lead to a greater sense of collectivism and a sense that a bigger government is needed to ensure a functional society, where as rural areas would tend towards more individualist/libertarian attitudes.
    Collectivism comes from being inferior .Whose inferior ? Anyone whose not British. Mugabe , Hitler, Napoleon ,Caesar,ahoy mate !

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