Balkanic genetic study

[Jana]

These are probably the Croats from Split from the Reich lab dataset, i think i posted their k13 long ago.

I thought so too, but than again these academic samples from Split aren't that southern but pretty usual Croats with only few outliers from what I remember. They weren't south of Romanians for sure.

[Ion Basescul]

So much for Davidski's leak that the Slavic invaders were like modern-day Serbs Unless he thought that the 10th century is no different from Late Antiquity, lmao.

Why? The problem here is that the number of Serb samples is significantly higher than that of the Kuline samples. If you'd have as many Kuline samples as Serb, then all that space within the Kuline cluster will be populated. The differences would be minimal.

[CommonSense]

Why? The problem here is that the number of Serb samples is significantly higher than that of the Kuline samples. If you'd have as many Kuline samples as Serb, then all that space within the Kuline cluster will be populated. The differences would be minimal.

No, the problem here is that he erroneously characterised them as 'Slavic invader samples' and equated them with the Slavs who settled Greece, drawing a conclusion that the Slavic admix in Greece is much higher than we thought it was. When in reality those individuals from Kuline lived four fucking centuries after Slavs had settled the Balkans all the way down to the Aegean.

[vbnetkhio]

I thought so too, but than again these academic samples from Split aren't that southern but pretty usual Croats with only few outliers from what I remember. They weren't south of Romanians for sure.

The pca is kind of weird, but their average point does land in between Serbs and Hungarians.

I'm pretty sure it's those samples since it's the same lab, and in the study they don't mention seqencing any new Croatian samples

[vbnetkhio]

No, the problem here is that he erroneously characterised them as 'Slavic invader samples' and equated them with the Slavs who settled Greece, drawing a conclusion that the Slavic admix in Greece is much higher than we thought it was. When in reality those individuals from Kuline lived four fucking centuries after Slavs had settled the Balkans all the way down to the Aegean.

I think there will also be another study which shows "Slavic invaders" in Macedonia being Serb-like, but the samples will also probably be from a later medieval era.

[Ion Basescul]

No, the problem here is that he erroneously characterised them as 'Slavic invader samples' and equated them with the Slavs who settled Greece, drawing a conclusion that the Slavic admix in Greece is much higher than we thought it was. When in reality those individuals from Kuline lived four fucking centuries after Slavs had settled the Balkans all the way down to the Aegean.

I see, is this the same paper as the one he referred to?

[Albertón]

good.

[Tschaikisten]

Supplementary Table 2. Information about newly reported present-day Serbs genotyped with the Human Origins array

These people were tested firstly for Y-DNA in cooperation of Biological faculty in Belgrade and Serbian DNA Project, like many others (more than 1000). That cooperation exist for years. Concretely samples of these people were used for this study and deeper analysis.

[CommonSense]

I see, is this the same paper as the one he referred to?

No, apparently vbn is right and he was talking about some samples from North Macedonia:



Anyway, as attested by multiple historical sources, Slavs settled in Greece pretty much at the same time as they did in, for example, Dalmatia. He made a bunch of sensationalist claims because he dislikes Greeks, as evidenced by these two blog posts ( a and b) and would like nothing more than to prove how modern-day Greeks have nothing to do whatsoever with those from antiquity.

So, as we can see, way back in 2017 he tried to push the mentioned thesis as true, so it's natural he sees confirmation bias everywhere. The only thing I can conlude, apart from him having some weird obssesions, is that his knowledge of the history of this region is negligible.

[vbnetkhio]

These people were tested firstly for Y-DNA in cooperation of Biological faculty in Belgrade and Serbian DNA Project, like many others (more than 1000). That cooperation exist for years. Concretely samples of these people were used for this study and deeper analysis.

They sequenced 1000 modern Serbs?