Great Atheist Bomb Drops!

[JosephK]

In theory it is supposed to work in that way, but in reality most modern academics are a bunch of PC hypocrites and cowards. 99% of them wouldn't do something that would endanger their career. They wouldn't upset the applecart just for the sake of "truth". And we're seeing this cowardly attitudes more and more, it is after all how modern universities groom the students to be!

That's all too true, unfortunately.

But in fact, I think a lot of you guys would be surprised at how many biologists, scientists, etc, are actually faithful Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, whatever. Believing in and understanding "evolution" and utilizing it within the realm of science does not preclude personal religiosity.

[Insuperable]

Yeah but if we had a sufficient explanation to the creation of the universe with God, then we'd have to wonder how to explain God's existence.

Yeah, I thought about this as well. If god created everything, then how did god come into existence?

The definition of God is that God is uncaused and timeless. God never came into existence. God simply was and is. I don't understand why is that so hard to understand.

Let's put God aside. Can we not through our basic reasoning come up with two basic scenarios regarding our existence or basically the Universe. Can we say that the Universe or any medium the Universe came from is either

1. Timeless
or
2. Came into the existence after infinite regress

Regarding the first case, why would the uncaused Universe be any less mind boggling than uncaused God? It's just that in one case we have a timeless non-consciousness that simply always was and is and in another case we have a timeless intelligence that simply always was and is.

Regarding the second, from the aspects of philosophy, infinite regress is even less 'likely' than having a single uncaused progenitor. Even if we scientifically prove the second scenario with 100% certainty why would that scenario be any less mind boggling than having a timeless creator or having a timeless Universe which simply always was and is?

[JosephK]

The definition of God is that God is uncaused and timeless. God never came into existence. God simply was and is. I don't understand why is that so hard to understand.

Let's put God aside. Can we not through our basic reasoning come up with two basic scenarios regarding our existence or basically the Universe. Can we say that the Universe or any medium the Universe came from is either

1. Timeless
or
2. Came into the existence after infinite regress

Regarding the first case, why would the uncaused Universe be any less mind boggling than uncaused God? It's just that in one case we have a timeless non-consciousness that simply always was and is and in another case we have a timeless intelligence that simply always was and is.

Regarding the second, from the aspects of philosophy, infinite regress is even less 'likely' than having a single uncaused progenitor. Even if we scientifically prove the second scenario with 100% certainty why would that scenario be any less mind boggling than having a timeless creator or having a timeless Universe which simply always was and is?

But the real point is that we will never know.

[JosephK]

That's all too true, unfortunately.

But in fact, I think a lot of you guys would be surprised at how many biologists, scientists, etc, are actually faithful Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, whatever. Believing in and understanding "evolution" and utilizing it within the realm of science does not preclude personal religiosity.

I should also add that the existence of God or His creation of the universe does not mean that evolution does not work as we understand it. The concept of evolution does not invalidate the idea of an ultimate Creator.
Remember the founder of modern genetics was a monk.

[Insuperable]

But the real point is that we will never know.

No shit. That is more or less obvious. I was just referring to who created God type opinions.

[JosephK]

No shit. That is more or less obvious. I was just referring to who created God type opinions.

But those aren't things you can argue. At least evolutionists have something to back them up.

[Insuperable]

But those aren't things you can argue. At least evolutionists have something to back them up.

Hooooleee... Nobody mentioned evolution. Evolution can be put aside.

[Wanderer]

This is a great video.

[Loki]

That's all too true, unfortunately.

But in fact, I think a lot of you guys would be surprised at how many biologists, scientists, etc, are actually faithful Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, whatever. Believing in and understanding "evolution" and utilizing it within the realm of science does not preclude personal religiosity.

Yes indeed there are such people, because hypocrites and cowards exist and are among us. I just wouldn't use the word "faithful" to describe them. You must understand that not everyone who calls himself a "Christian" is a true believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in the original sense of the meaning.

There is a type of watered down "faith" that is not good for anything, and will be judged on the day when Jesus returns in all his glory. Then he will be ashamed of those who were ashamed of him and his words.

[Loki]

But the real point is that we will never know.

Yes we will! One day everything will be revealed.