Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 34

Thread: What did the Ancient celts look like?

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Online
    11-19-2012 @ 09:59 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    A Celto-Germanic-Manic ;)
    Ethnicity
    Thrones
    Taxonomy
    Bitch-oid
    Gender
    Posts
    2,346
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 8/0
    Given: 0/0

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default What did the Ancient celts look like?

    I hope that this hasn't already been posted, if so I apologize. What did the Ancient celts look like before the Norse, Romans, or Germanics came? A celt having red hair is always a big stereotype, however I read somewhere recently that red hair wasn't a true "celtic" trait and that the red hair gene actually came from the Germanics, is this true?



    Anyways, I was just thinking about this today and became curious as to what they looked like before outside influence. thanks

  2. #2
    Maestro de la Perdicin Han Cholo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Gender
    Posts
    13,035
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 11,040/686
    Given: 16,961/690

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Given their most accepted origin region I imagine they looked like Bavarians, Austrians and German Swiss people. So mostly brown hair with some significant red haired and blond people as well.

  3. #3
    Tough on Violent Crime
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    rhiannon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Northern
    Meta-Ethnicity
    CeltoGermanic
    Ethnicity
    Mongrelized NW Euromutt
    Ancestry
    Northwestern Europe
    Country
    United States
    Region
    Alaska
    Taxonomy
    CM
    Politics
    Suck
    Religion
    You follow yours...I follow none
    Gender
    Posts
    9,779
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 6,682/43
    Given: 11,103/31

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boudica View Post
    I hope that this hasn't already been posted, if so I apologize. What did the Ancient celts look like before the Norse, Romans, or Germanics came? A celt having red hair is always a big stereotype, however I read somewhere recently that red hair wasn't a true "celtic" trait and that the red hair gene actually came from the Germanics, is this true?

    Anyways, I was just thinking about this today and became curious as to what they looked like before outside influence. thanks
    I've heard the same things, Boudica Great post. This is something I am interested in as well...

  4. #4
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Logan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Online
    02-16-2012 @ 01:22 AM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic / keltic
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    GB % Swe, Irl.
    Gender
    Posts
    2,350
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 10/0
    Given: 0/0

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Decimator View Post
    Given their most accepted origin region I imagine they looked like Bavarians, Austrians and German Swiss people. So mostly brown hair with some significant red haired and blond people as well.
    I wouldn't think too far off. A diverse population. Much would depend upon time and place.





    http://www.data-wales.co.uk/celt6.htm

    http://www.buildinghistory.org/dista.../ironage.shtml

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    sleeping with your sister
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Slavic
    Ethnicity
    Polish
    Ancestry
    Haaaaaaa
    Country
    Poland
    Gender
    Posts
    15,419
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 168/25
    Given: 9/5

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    I guess they were pred. Nordid and Nordid/Cromagnid with Dinarid/Dinaroid influence.
    The first Celts were Nordid and Nordid-Cromagnid with Dinarid admixture. When they expanded they came in contact with more Dinarids, Alpinids and Mediterranid forms. On the long run Alpinid types increased in numbers whereas the original Celtic elite decreased, so when the Romans came to Gallia, the Celts were not the same as they were at the time of their expansion though the Nordid element was still dominant in most regions. Its not by chance Coon designated the typical Nordid "Hallstatt", the early Celtic skulls are as the Reihengraeber or early Slavs mainly Nordid (or at least Nordoid anatomically) in character.
    Population changes in cephalic index, like that of height or weight, can happen in a matter of a few generations under the right conditions(such as famine for example.)

    Last edited by Mordid; 10-26-2011 at 09:51 AM.

  6. #6
    progressive wog
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    gold_fenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 11:53 PM
    Location
    Madrid
    Meta-Ethnicity
    celtiberian oretani?
    Ethnicity
    spaniard
    Ancestry
    most from Spain: Jaen, Ciudad Real, Toledo slight: France and Germany
    Country
    Spain
    Y-DNA
    F
    mtDNA
    V
    Taxonomy
    atlantic mediterranean cromagnon and western + southern
    Politics
    center
    Religion
    agnostic
    Age
    25
    Gender
    Posts
    3,163
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 653/2
    Given: 101/0

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    problaby they weren't homogeneous but for example into the pseudoscience of anthropology brunn, atlanto med ,paleoatlantid or keltic nordids are asociated with celts
    et tenebras invadere cor meum vindicare meas

    Cuanto mas creo saber mas me doy cuenta de lo poco que se, que razon tenia Socrates

    El oceano del Atlas en el occidente y el Gran verde en el oriente, el que ha engendrado grandes culturas, descendientes de Celti e Iber, hijos de Hercules, aqui surgimos y aqui seguimos, ese es nuestro legado, es nuestro eje y eso es lo que somos , celtiberos

  7. #7
    Progressive Collectivist Agrippa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Online
    01-17-2012 @ 01:00 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    German
    Taxonomy
    Atlantid
    Gender
    Posts
    5,391
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 116/2
    Given: 0/0

    1 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Like I wrote in another thread already:
    The typical original Celt was pred. Nordoid with various amounts of other influences. Mediterranid is hard to distinguish, but morphologically, tendencies towards Dinaroid and Alpinoid were pretty common, especially in the later periods. Which is why "Keltic Nordic" is a low headed Nordoid with Dinaro-Alpinoid/Dinaroid tendencies (mostly Bell Beaker derived) in Coon's system.

    The upper class was more Atlanto-Nordid later too, whereas the average became "mesomesomorph". But not always because of the homogeneity, but rather the variation present.

    In this case it has little (only indirectly) to do with body types and refers to medium face + medium headshape (mesoprosopic + mesocephalic).

    Nordid/Mediterranid/Orientalid/Indid = Aurignacoid = typically leptodolichomorphic.

    Dalofaelid/Berberid = Cromagnid = typically eurydolichomorphic

    Dinarid, Armenid, (Pamirid) = Taurid = typically leptobrachymorphic

    Alpinoid, Osteuropid = Cromagnoid derivatives, reduced forms = typically eurybrachymorphic.

    While many "longheaded" variants are actually mesocephalic (just with a tendency towards dolichocephaly), especially in modern times, the Celtic average (especially in later times) was rather really intermediate by facial and head proportions (on the continent).

    Since they were not all typical Cromagnoids, also not by size and dimension, we have to assume a growing Alpinoid element (Alpinisation) in the later period of various Celtic regions.


    After the expansions regional variation became stronger of course.

    Interestingly, ancient Romans, Celts and Etruscans were proportionally not that different from each other actually.

    Etruscans were just more gracile (Mediterranoid) and approached the more gracile Hallstatt-Celts (gracile Nordoid). Romans were less rangy, shorter, more compact and broader, that was the main difference of Romans vs. Celts, which can be attributed to various factors from more Mediterranid-Alpinoid to nutrition (in Romans).

    Typical skull which could be interpreted as "Keltic Nordic" (in my opinion) from an upper class warrior hill grave from Austria:


    Uploaded with ImageShack.us
    Last edited by Agrippa; 10-26-2011 at 11:37 AM.

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    sleeping with your sister
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Slavic
    Ethnicity
    Polish
    Ancestry
    Haaaaaaa
    Country
    Poland
    Gender
    Posts
    15,419
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 168/25
    Given: 9/5

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gold_fenix View Post
    problaby they weren't homogeneous but for example into the pseudoscience of anthropology brunn, atlanto med ,paleoatlantid or keltic nordids are asociated with celts
    Indeed, just a variety among those whom speak or spoke Celtic languages. To find what the common phenotypes of the "original" Celtic speakers were you must find where Celtic languages and their predecessor(indo-european) originated.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    sleeping with your sister
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Slavic
    Ethnicity
    Polish
    Ancestry
    Haaaaaaa
    Country
    Poland
    Gender
    Posts
    15,419
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 168/25
    Given: 9/5

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Dinarid, Armenid, (Pamirid) = Taurid = typically leptobrachymorphic
    Doesn't Dinarid have a tendency to mesomorphic?

  10. #10
    Progressive Collectivist Agrippa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Online
    01-17-2012 @ 01:00 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    German
    Taxonomy
    Atlantid
    Gender
    Posts
    5,391
    Thumbs Up/Down
    Received: 116/2
    Given: 0/0

    0 Not allowed! Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordid View Post
    Doesn't Dinarid have a tendency to mesomorphic?
    They have a tendency towards mesomorphy, but are still rather leptomorphic. Also, in that context it refers strictly to the skull/head, like described, it has nothing to do (only indirectly) with the body type.
    Last edited by Agrippa; 10-26-2011 at 02:12 PM.

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Celts and Celtophiles - An Essay by G. K. Chesterton
    By Murphy in forum Ethno-Cultural Discussion
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 04-05-2012, 09:51 AM
  2. The Celts are Israelites Under Another Name.
    By Beorn in forum Off-topic
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 02-06-2009, 04:51 PM
  3. The Religion of the Iberian Celts
    By Psychonaut in forum Literature & Translations
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-06-2009, 01:40 AM
  4. The Celts.
    By Treffie in forum History
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-21-2009, 01:24 PM
  5. Celts and Germans
    By Psychonaut in forum Folk Customs and Traditions
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 01-19-2009, 06:36 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •