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    Default Sir Edward Creasy on the Puritan role in the American Revolution

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    The five northern colonies of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Vermont, usually classed together as the New England colonies, were the strongholds of the insurrection against the mother country. The feeling of resistance was less vehement and general in the central settlement of New York, and still less so in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the other colonies of the South, although everywhere it was formidably strong. But it was among the descendants of the stern Puritans that the spirit of Cromwell and Vane breathed in all its fervor. it was from the New Englanders that the first armed opposition to the British crown had been offered; and it was by them that the most stubborn determination to fight to the last, rather than waive a single right or privilege, had been displayed. In 1775 they had suceeded in forcing the British troops to evacuate Boston; and the events of 1776 had made New York (which the Royalists captured in that year) the principal basis of operations for the armies of the mother country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leibowitz View Post
    The British lost the American colonies long before the Revolution by settling their strongest, most sexiest, most desirable, most excellent, most awesome, most masculine, most beautiful, most brave, most smart, most creative, most self reliant, most rugged, and most independent minded people there.
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribuno View Post
    George III had to choose to engage troops to keep the colonies in America or if proceed to the definitive occupation of India. He chose the latter option.
    So Britain was fighting on two fronts, both on the opposite ends of the earth from each other and from Britain. Plus two other super powers were allied with the americans.

    If I was an american. I just wouldn't even bring that war up, let alone brag about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Fixed.
    The best Europe had to offer. Even Hitler agreed.

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    America is in racial decline though, as is Europe. Some undesirables got through a century or so ago and the 1965 Immigration Act accelerated the decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkey View Post
    So Britain was fighting on two fronts, both on the opposite ends of the earth from each other and from Britain. Plus two other super powers were allied with the americans.

    If I was an american. I just wouldn't even bring that war up, let alone brag about it.
    The Americans were outnumbered against a highly efficient global hegemon and were especially outnumbered in the early part of the war (3-1). It was an impressive victory by any standard, and little was going on in India in the way of fighting during the war years.

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    After Robert Clive's victory in the Battle of Plassey in 1757, the puppet government of a new Nawab of Bengal, was maintained by the East India Company.[12] However, after the invasion of Bengal by the Nawab of Oudh in 1764 and his subsequent defeat in the Battle of Buxar, the Company obtained the Diwani of Bengal, which included the right to administer and collect land-revenue (land tax) in Bengal, the region of present-day Bangladesh, West Bengal and Bihar.[12] In 1772, the Company also obtained the Nizāmat of Bengal (the "exercise of criminal jurisdiction") and thereby full sovereignty of the expanded Bengal Presidency.[12] During the period 1773 to 1785, very little changed; the only exceptions were the addition of the dominions of the Raja of Banares to the western boundary of the Bengal Presidency, and the addition of Salsette Island to the Bombay Presidency

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    The American Revolutionary soldier was usually half starved and poorly equipped, a lesser people wouldn't have survived that long. Similar to the Confederates of the American Civil War, yet they showed incredible bravery and fought on despite the hardships. The American fighting man didn't go down easily. They had to be whipped completely before giving in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leibowitz View Post
    The American Revolutionary soldier was usually half starved and poorly equipped,
    They knew the countryside. You are dreaming
    a lesser people wouldn't have survived that long.
    again you are dreaming. I know people of european descent could not survive doing this http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...75245219225387
    Similar to the Confederates of the American Civil War, yet they showed incredible bravery and fought on despite the hardships. The American fighting man didn't go down easily. They had to be whipped completely before giving in.
    Well it was a war and I'm certain they were tough men. However, bragging about facing the might of what Britain was is silly because they never faced it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Whether he means it or not the people he's referring to were Puritans. They had few slaves and their descendants were the crucible of the revolution.
    According to one Hessian officer at least it was a largely "Scotch-Irish Presbyterian" revolution, ie the work of Ulster Scots especially in the Appalachian mountains.
    They were decisive in the colonial victories in the south and elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leibowitz View Post
    The British lost the American colonies long before the Revolution by settling their strongest, most creative, most self reliant, most rugged, and most independent minded people there.
    My arse, the Puritans for a start were religious nuts - that pretty much set the precedent for things to come.

    The other powers of Europe were helping the Americans, they had an unfair advantage.
    They were jealous because our empire was fairly good and because we'd taken a few territories from France and kicked France, the Netherlands and Spain around a bit.

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