Is Finland in Eastern Europe?

[Lemminkäinen]

I know the Finns have had someone like Eliel Saarinen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliel_Saarinen

but overall the Finnish architecture or urbanistic style is not that western, same with for example Poland - western (German) parts are whereas Russian part of Partitions of Poland has different style

Eliel Saarinen is pretty much overrated. He was one of those architect who ruined the city architecture in Helsinki. Now people criticize all what they did in the '60s.

Before



Helsinki before and now


So damn Saarinen and his tavaritz

[Arūnas]

^^
I bet that's from the Swedish period of Helsingfors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...an_Grand_Duchy
The Finns also retained the Swedish language, and the monarchy was represented by a Finnish governor-general. The main administrative and judicial body was the Gubernial Council, renamed the senate in 1816. The lower house of the Finnish parliament existed only in theory, as it was not convened until 1863

[Lemminkäinen]

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[Lemminkäinen]

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^^
I bet that's from the Swedish period of Helsingfors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...an_Grand_Duchy
The Finns also retained the Swedish language, and the monarchy was represented by a Finnish governor-general. The main administrative and judicial body was the Gubernial Council, renamed the senate in 1816. The lower house of the Finnish parliament existed only in theory, as it was not convened until 1863

The architect was theodor Höijer (1843-1910 Helsinki). He was a son of craftsman and not from a rich family, but he studied in Stockholm becoming an architect.

[Komintasavalta]

Interesting. Hungarians have much more germanic admixture than poles in general, this is the reason that hungarians or czechs have pretty western shifted genetic, but i don't think that hungarians are closer to swedes than finns. It sounds very unbelievable, but who knows.

Hungarians are way closer to Swedes than to Finns. That's even true of G25 distance, which unlike f2 is relatively insensitive to population-specific drift:



But compared to G25, f2 distance is more sensitive to population-specific drift in isolated or bottlenecked populations, it causes Finns to be further from other populations and Hungarians to be closer to other populations. Hungarians are similar to Central Asians in the respect that they are a mixed population with large effective population size, so they have low f2 distance to other populations. f2 distance is the average squared difference between allele frequencies across SNPs.

Komivavavavava

[Arūnas]

I admire Finland and Finns, they are well organised, nothing like Russians in mentality, but some facts above are facts

i can travel from my town somewhere to Rethel in France and still feel like at home, I was in Kerava, Heslinki etc, and felt the difference

[Lemminkäinen]

Hungarians are way closer to Swedes than to Finns. That's even true of G25 distance, which unlike f2 is relatively insensitive to population-specific drift:

IDK what kind of PCA the G25 is, but PCA is not insensitive to genetic drift.

[Lemminkäinen]

I admire Finland and Finns, they are well organised, nothing like Russians in mentality, but some facts above are facts

i can travel from my town somewhere to Rethel in France and still feel like at home, I was in Kerava, Heslinki etc, and felt the difference

Of course towns like Lahti, Kerava and most Finnish towns are not old, most of them below 100 years. Depopulating of rural areas during the last 50 years created those towns.

[Komintasavalta]

IDK what kind of PCA the G25 is, but PCA is not insensitive to genetic drift.

There were 1058 samples that had the same combination of sample ID and population name in G25 and the Reich dataset. I compared population averages of the samples in G25 to an f2 matrix of the samples in the Reich dataset, and relative to f2, G25 underestimated the distance of Hungarians to drifted or isolated populations, like Kubachinian, Kalash, and Kusunda:



If G25 would include more dimensions, some of the higher dimensions might end up being dedicated to drift that is specific to Kalashes. Or if Kalashes were missing from the initial set of reference samples that the samples on G25 are projected on, it could also explain why G25 underestimates the distance between Kalashes and other populations.

Code: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....etic-distances

[Arūnas]

Of course towns like Lahti, Kerava and most Finnish towns are not old, most of them below 100 years. Depopulating of rural areas during the last 50 years created those towns.

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I don't care if Russians took Finnish style or the other way, but - wide streets, single (even if beautiful) buildings, in the "west" - rows of tenement houses and narrow streets
rainwater drainage system in Finland quite like in Russia (on the streets / walkingside), in the "west" underground etc.

Soderkulla

ok, maybe my last post in this thread:

Rauma - Perustettu 1442
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauma



rainwater drainage system in Russian style, same I can find in the Chruściela street in Rembertów, Warsaw, but not in Wrocław or Szczecin