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    Protestants are 'more creative' than Catholics and Jews because they don't have an adequate outlet for their feelings
    Researchers carried out experiments on men of different religions
    In certain situations, men were told to suppress sexual desire and anger
    Following both tests, the participants were asked to sculpt or write a poem
    Protestant men were found to be more creative than Catholics or Jews
    Thought this is because they don't have an outlet such as confession - or Catholic guilt
    By VICTORIA WOOLLASTON
    PUBLISHED: 14:21 GMT, 30 July 2013 | UPDATED: 16:38 GMT, 30 July 2013

    Researchers from the University of Illinois have discovered that Protestants who suppress sexual feelings and anger are more artistic and creative than Catholics and Jews

    Protestants are more creative than Catholics and Jews, new research has found.
    Researchers from the University of Illinois wanted to test a previously-held theory that introverted people who suppress emotions about sex and depravity are more creative than people who are more open and extroverted.

    They discovered that Protestants, or people who grow up in a Protestant communities, can channel suppressed emotions more effectively than their Catholic and Jewish counterparts.

    The research, led by Emily Kim along with Veronika Zeppenfeld and Dov Cohen, claims that its not that Jews and Catholics don't suppress the same feelings about sexual taboos as Protestants, but they channel it into feelings of guilt, rather than through art or creative means.

    The team of researchers from Illinois began by analysing a Californian study by Freud and Weber that began in the 1920s, which wanted to test if there was a connection between high IQs, creativity and religion.

    Freud and Weber interviewed participants when they were children and repeated these interviews over the following decades.

    During the 1950s, the researchers asked specific questions about whether the participants had 'any major problems or marked difficulties related to sex', as well as being asked to list any creative accomplishments they had achieved.

    Kim and her colleagues used these questions to conduct experiments on 127 'religious' men.
    Of the participants, 60 were white Protestants, 40 were white Jews, and 27 were Latino Catholics.

    The researchers said they excluded white Catholics because this group 'would be much more intermixed with, and influenced by, the wider Protestant culture'.

    Some of the men were given a photo album and told to imagine the images in the album were members of their family.
    One of the images of a sister-type figure showed an attractive woman in a bikini designed to make the participants feel sexually uncomfortable.

    A second experiment involved participants being asked to write about their family before being told to create a clay sculpture and then write a poem.

    The results found that 'Protestants produced more creative artwork (sculptures, poems, collages, cartoon captions) when they were primed with damnation-related words, induced to feel unacceptable sexual desires, or forced to suppress their anger.'


    Researchers asked men of different religions to suppress their emotions, before being asked to sculpt or write a poem.

    Although Protestants were more creative, the study claims Catholics and Jews already have adequate ways to absolve guilt caused by these feelings, in confession booths, pictured, for example

    Yet the researchers added that activating anger or sexual attraction wasn't enough to cause the creativity, and that these feelings had to be suppressed in one form or another to give 'the emotion its creative power.'

    Kim et al said: 'Protestants who had major problems or marked difficulties related to sexual taboos and depravity anxieties showed greater creative achievements in their lives.

    'They had more publications and creative accomplishments in other areas (and also) disproportionately chose jobs in the most creative occupations.

    'Neither of these results held for Catholic and Jewish participants.'
    The paper goes on to say that Protestant participants were more likely to include sexual and phallic symbols in their artwork, too.

    During a third test, 42 Protestants and 54 Catholic or Jewish students were to told to focus on repressing anger.
    Half of them were told to recall a time in their life when they had been 'very angry' and were asked to visualise how they wanted to hurt the person who had made them angry.

    They were additionally told to make a fist with their hand while they wrote about the incident.
    The other half had to recall an event where they didn't feel overly happy, sad or angry.


    Famous protestant artwork includes Hans Holbein the Younger's Noli me tangere, pictured, which is a rare Protestant oil painting of Jesus Christ

    They were then told to create captions for five cartoons, which were later judged based on their wit and creativity.
    Kim said: 'Without this suppression manipulation, Protestants in the other conditions scored about the same as Catholic and Jewish participants.'

    One reason why the researchers believe the Catholics and Jews didn't show the same level of creative flair was because they 'seemed to show greater guilt reactions' during the tests.

    The researchers said: 'Both Judaism and Catholicism have formal institutions and rituals that allow a person to atone for and repent one’s sins.

    Alternatively, Protestants apparently don't have this method of channeling their anger and therefore needed a way 'to work through their forbidden emotions.'

    EARLY LINKS BETWEEN CREATIVITY AND RELIGION
    The team of researchers from Illinois began by analysing a study by Sigmund Freud and Max Weber that began in the 1920s in California.
    This study wanted to test if there was a connection between high IQs, religion and religion's role in creativity.
    Freud and Weber interviewed participants when they were children, during the 1920s, and repeated these interviews over the following decades.
    During the 1950s the researchers asked specific questions about whether they had 'any major problems or marked difficulties related to sex', as well as being asked to list any creative accomplishments they had achieved.
    This was the first indication that intelligence made people more creative, but a person's religious beliefs could hinder or develop this creativity.
    The more religious participants in the study were found to be more creative.
    Protestants disproportionately chose jobs in the most create industries, too.
    These questions formed the basis of the Illinois study.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz2aiIGyc9R

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    Hm. Very interesting. Though somehow I think Jews are a kind of exception to the rule. I wonder if the Catholic or Protestant has to be actually "practicing" or if the modes of guilt or repression are passed down as tradition by family members.
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    Very interesting.
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    That's because most proper Protestants are northern European Germanics and they are more creative than Slavs and Mediterraneans.

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    Well they excluded "white Catholics" and used Latino Catholics so I don't think that is a proper comparison. Aren't Irish, Italian, Spanish, Polish people just as creative? So it's not comparing European Catholics with European Protestants so that is a flawed study right there. Don't you think Leonardo Da Vinci was creative enough?

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    I think it's funny this creativity is supposed to be 'harnessing sex power'. Must have been a study performed by atlanto-meds.
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    Interesting - cheers for that.

    The subject has been one of interest for sociologists, and it's bitterly contested. Weber coined the term - and I think the experience of the last hundred years more or less confirms the theory, although there's quite a few factors other than simply being Protestant that has led Protestant countries to being - generally - more successful than Catholic ones.

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    The study was made in a country were Protestants are structurally more present in the educated and traditionally humanist class (they even embody it to an extent). That is to say, it's pretty much BS.
    It would have been a better study in a country with a equal proportion of both, like Germany.

    The only objective example of superior Protestant creativity that come to my mind is Bach. I'm actually baffled every time I remember he was a Protestant, at it's nearly inconceivable to me that his work wasn't that of a Catholic.

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    although there's quite a few factors other than simply being Protestant that has led Protestant countries to being - generally - more successful than Catholic ones.
    Yeah, there's also the racial superiority of the Germanic race over the wogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    The study was made in a country were Protestants are structurally more present in the educated and traditionally humanist class (they even embody it to an extent). That is to say, it's pretty much BS.
    It would have been a better study in a country with a equal proportion of both, like Germany.

    The only objective example of superior Protestant creativity that come to my mind is Bach. I'm actually baffled every time I remember he was a Protestant, at it's nearly inconceivable to me that his work wasn't that of a Catholic.


    Yeah, there's also the racial superiority of the Germanic race over the wogs
    I should have said the French as well. Yes study is completely meaningless because of subjects used.

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    their theology is certainly very creative. they don't believe in the communion of saints - until someone dies. then they know he's with God in heaven looking down on them.
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