"Hallstatt Nordic"

**XenophobicPrussian** · 01-06-2022, 03:12 PM

Called it years ago. AUT = Austria.

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699
0.02310597 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02948572 French_Auvergne
0.02981259 French_Occitanie
0.03140355 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03176138 Spanish_Aragon
0.03239779 French_South
0.03244784 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03374255 Basque_French
0.03383349 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03523647 Spanish_Baleares

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708
0.02996220 Swiss_French
0.03076345 French_Auvergne
0.03414650 French_Provence
0.03489460 French_Occitanie
0.03654459 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03699700 Spanish_Castello
0.03712843 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03719893 Italian_Veneto
0.03732971 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03783411 Swiss_German

Distance to: AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701
0.02519460 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02948698 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03077887 Italian_Veneto
0.03182894 French_Provence
0.03248383 Italian_Bergamo
0.03422510 French_Auvergne
0.03455539 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03611462 Swiss_French
0.03628018 Spanish_Baleares
0.03662440 Swiss_German

Distance to: HUN_EIA_Hallstatt:I18227
0.03401692 French_Auvergne
0.03596159 French_Occitanie
0.03757210 French_Alsace
0.03821949 Swiss_German
0.03826917 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03867471 Swiss_French
0.03961965 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03992117 French_Nord
0.04130941 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04131267 French_Provence

These high EEF core Hallstatt/La Tene types of people made it all the way north to southern England/channel islands and Czechia, although most were mixed and N. French-like by the time they got to a place like England. Most Czech Hallstatt/La Tene samples are a mix between Austrian Hallstatt/La Tene, Pre_Germanic_Northern and surprisingly exotic Scythian/eastern potentially Slavic stuff(by proxy of Scythians, some have none and are just Austrian Hallstatt/La Tene+Pre_Germanic_Northern, clustering around northern French), of which the Scythian is archaeologically supported as cultural influence in Celtic. Slovakia was even more exotic than Czechia, with very southern and Caucasus shifted people(kind of off-topic, but I would guess this has to be quite related to ultra Gorid and Carpathid types), but with obvious Celtic admixture as well.

Distance to: Channel_Islands_IA:I16430
0.03711851 French_Occitanie
0.03979459 Basque_French
0.04034590 French_Paris
0.04093472 French_Auvergne
0.04193625 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04218200 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04228721 French_Nord
0.04249619 French_Alsace
0.04304361 Belgian
0.04328622 Swiss_German

Distance to: CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14980
0.03223609 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03382862 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03468758 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03484733 French_Auvergne
0.03501583 Spanish_Castello
0.03608430 Spanish_Baleares
0.03726065 Italian_Veneto
0.03744262 French_Occitanie
0.03778227 French_South
0.03865577 Italian_Bergamo

Good model for Austrians:

Spoiler!

Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699,0.127482,0.15 2329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0.00251,0.004465,0 .011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701,0.126344,0.14 5221,0.039598,0.000646,0.038469,0.000279,0.00188,0 .006923,0.006954,0.018041,-0.003085,0.005845,-0.014717,0.004129,0.002579,-0.009679,-0.012386,0.007221,0.013575,-0.002876,0.000998,-0.004451,0.004067,-0.00253,-0.006586
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708,0.134311,0.14 6236,0.049026,0.008075,0.043085,0.007809,0.001175,-0.000231,0.017589,0.021868,0.002273,0.007194,-0.007284,-0.008533,-0.005836,0.004508,0.019688,0.006461,0.004399,0.001 626,0.003369,0.001978,-0.010599,0.004579,-0.000359
Hallstatt_Celt:HUN_EIA_Hallstatt:I18227,0.133173,0 .146236,0.056191,0.016473,0.049548,-0.006972,0.00188,0.001385,0.01084,0.015855,-0.000325,0.009292,-0.007284,0.004404,-0.004479,0.005701,0.005998,0.00266,0.011187,-0.005378,-0.007237,0.000247,-0.000493,-0.008676,-0.001078
Pre_Germanic_Northern:NLD_MIA_LIA:I12906,0.120652, 0.13405,0.054682,0.041021,0.037545,0.014223,0.0105 75,0.005538,0.003068,0.010934,0.000487,0.016935,-0.003122,-0.004542,0.010722,-0.004906,-0.020079,0.003927,-0.000628,0.011506,0.01148,0.012489,-0.004807,-0.001446,0.006706
Republic_Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.13317 3,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Republic_Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.12 6344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.010 79,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
Republic_Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.12748 2,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25,0.105855,0. 151314,-0.029415,-0.052972,0.001846,-0.015897,-0.00282,-0.004615,0.001227,0.016583,0.006496,0.007643,-0.010258,0.004266,-0.004343,-0.004243,0.009518,-0.006081,0.011187,0.002126,-0.004492,0.009398,0.001479,-0.002048,0
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30,0.113823,0. 150298,-0.026398,-0.056848,0.008001,-0.015897,0.005875,0.001846,0.006136,0.015308,0.010 068,0.000599,-0.004757,0.003303,-0.0019,0.000133,0.005085,0.002787,0.004525,-0.001251,-0.001248,-0.008903,0.009983,-0.00253,-0.003233
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38,0.101303,0. 144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184 ,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845, 0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Germanic: DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0. 048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Pre_Slavic_Balkan:HRV_IA:I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0 .033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353

Target: Austrian
Distance: 0.9987% / 0.00998744
35.6 Germanic
23.6 Hallstatt_Celt
23.6 Slavic
10.8 Imperial_Roman
6.4 Pre_Slavic_Balkan

**Flashball** · 01-07-2022, 08:12 AM

They are just "Culture de Tene" Gaulish-like, but not "spaniard" or whatever Taforalt-influenced people, with Tepecik and other thing.

My father is very close to the IA Culture de Tene Hauts-de-France sample (a woman).
True Gaulish, neither "southern", neithern northern, neither eastern, just Western Gaulish thing.

Rien de surprenant. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi lié cela à l'Espagne, alors qu'ils ont des apports non-européens, contrairement aux Basques et aux Français de souche (native).

Cela n'a pas de rapport avec les Espagnols modernes.

**Tellmewhy** · 01-07-2022, 08:49 AM

So, does it mean Hallstatt Nordic people of that time are closest to modern day Southwest Europeans?

**Ibericus** · 01-07-2022, 11:36 AM

Yup, they mostly have a catalan/occitan profile..it is what it is.

**cass** · 01-07-2022, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Tellmewhy

So, does it mean Hallstatt Nordic people of that time are closest to modern day Southwest Europeans?

Rather prove that the depigmentation of this type is rather late phenomena.

**J.S.** · 01-07-2022, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tellmewhy

So, does it mean Hallstatt Nordic people of that time are closest to modern day Southwest Europeans?

Run a PCA with all the Hallstatt/lLa Tene samples from Central Europe and you'll see how their autosomal profile look like.

**J.S.** · 01-07-2022, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ibericus

Yup, they mostly have a catalan/occitan profile..it is what it is.

Hallstatt/La Tene Central Europe samples? I'd rather say mostly French-like and I wonder what that means.

**Peterski** · 01-07-2022, 02:37 PM

You are showing only the samples that you like, very selectively (why didn't you show also for example Hallstatt and La Tene samples from Czechia?).

And here is K36 Similitude map for Iron Age Channel Islands (all samples are from one island, Alderney):

n=3 [samples: I16430, I26628, I16505]

Some top closest single distances (when using more of regional populations):

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
FR_Bretagne-Rennes
0.7524826
FR_Lower-Normandy
0.7734093
FR_Hauts-de-France
0.7964534
FR_Nord-Department
0.7987265
FR_Pas-de-Calais
0.8303295
FR_Pays-de-la-Loire
0.8326746
FR_Normandy-Manche
0.8371225
FR_Ile-de-France
0.8735153
(...)

And here are the K36 scores used:

Sample Alderney_IA

Amerindian 0
Arabian 0.20
Armenian 0
Basque 4.65
Central African 0.08
Central Euro 8.90
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 0.95
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 6.20
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 2.37
Fennoscandian 6.35
French 4.76
Iberian 21.69
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 11.48
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 1.91
North Atlantic 13.19
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 15.44
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0.25
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0.24
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0.29
West African 0
West Caucasian 0.38
West Med 0.66

**Peterski** · 01-07-2022, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by J.S.

Hallstatt/La Tene Central Europe samples? I'd rather say mostly French-like and I wonder what that means.

It means that the highest amount of Iron Age Celtic ancestry exists in modern France, while Celtic ancestry in modern Central Europe has been dilluted by other populations.

Originally Posted by J.S.

Run a PCA with all the Hallstatt/lLa Tene samples from Central Europe and you'll see how their autosomal profile look like.

Indeed, Xenophobic only selected the samples he liked.

Instead of using all of the Hallstatt / La Tene samples.