Off topic from Members Pictures Thread

[Anglo-Celtic]

Damn, it'd be kinda fun to see Sinn Fein and DUP supporters going at it here, must admit. Guess, we'll settle for Latin Americans arguing over who's prettiest.

There are no troubles about the Troubles now. It gets insane when Patrick McBride, the Prod, claims that there's absolutely no Irish blood flowing through his Anglo-Saxon veins, unlike those papists.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Team Hutus.

I see. You're on the shorter side, then.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I see. You're on the shorter side, then.

As I always do I flip a coin.

[Wizz]

These Chetniks claim they have been leading a war against Muslims for 500 years when pretty much everyone who has studied documents and archives found across different countries know these documents are referring to Albanians revolting in 1690 but they fucking falsified them and wrote them down as Serbs and claimed they were pushed out by Ottomans ''Great Migration of Serbs 1690'' and suddenly a mass amount of Albanians started descending down from the mountains. It's nothing but a fucking fake version of history that has become famous repeated by all these dumb so called historians. That's the dumb shit you people have been taught.

Everyone who has studied the demographic situation there from various archives knows the demographics had changed into favour of Albanians way before 1690 in many parts. Everyone who has studied these archives knows the people who revolted were Albanians. It is nothing but a bunch of romantic nationalist fairy tale invented in the 19th-20th century. They started claiming that place in the 19th century, you cannot come back and claim a place when the demographics have changed so many hundreds of years later. Even the battle of Kosovo 1389 was coalition of various Balkan states but these chetniks turned it into their own battle.


It is nothing but a fake version of history. It is hilarious how fucking pathetic they are , the author in that book explains all their fake versions and he is not even Albanian . Their fake versions come in all kind of forms.


They now think they are some heavnly people, 500 years Muslim Albanian oppression When literally there is more Albanian history in that place than these people have history even if it happened later but you're not allowed to write that shit down on wikipedia, nooooo, you have to be neutral, despite that's what the fucking documents say.


It is a bunch of bullshit, entire wikipedia on Albanian history is vandalized by these people.

[Wizz]

Even the Austrian Johann Georg Von Hahn who studied some of the documents back in the 19th century noted the people who revolted were Albanians

An interesting fact emerges from these historical events – that in 1689 Dardania had a plentiful and warrior Albanian population, because it is highly unlikely in my view that the Albanians mentioned here came over from Albania itself to join Imperial forces. The question as to whether these Albanians were Christians or Muslims is not answered in the above-mentioned work. An edition of source material about the Dardanian campaign of Imperial troops would provide a substantial contribution to our knowledge of this region and its inhabitants and would also be of great interest for our military history because names like Starhemberg and Veterani appear in it. No one would be better suited for this than the biographer of the former.

Travels in Dardanian Albania -

Yet these Chetniks changed them into Serbs


Claim 500 years of Muslim Albanian oppression when literally the demographics show they had a large population in that place until the mid 19th century and did not change entirely into an Albanian enclave until they expelled 60,000 - 150,000 Albanians from Southern Serbia, North of Kosovo who then settled Kosovo.


Their so called 'Great Migration in 1690' is combined with another 'Great Migration in the 1700s' , apparently there were billions of Serbs there...



How can you be so fucking pathetic to falsify history ....... It's not even what the archives or documents say yet everybody believes these Chetniks have been leading some kind of 500 year holy war

[Wizz]

Yet people here believe we started coming to that place after these chetniks ''revolted'' in 1689

Here is from a German text from: 1689 Kosovo in the Great Turkish War 1683-1699 , you can find it if you google it, historians who have studied the original documents know it refers to Albanians and Pjeter Bogdani

For his part, he continued his march and arrived on the 6th, as reported earlier, in Prisiran [Prizren], the Capital of Albania, where he was welcomed by the Archbishop (5) [36r] of that country and by the Patriarch of Clementa with their various religious ceremonies. Outside of Priserin [Prizren] there were at least 6,000 Albanese [Albanian] troops

It refers to fucking Prizren in Kosovo as the Capital of Albania but these Chetniks claim it was a Serbian town when even the demographics show it was Albanian

Here they refer to Albanians again:

To confound our actions, heaven decided that the Archbishop of Albania would perish, who had kept all of his peoples and most of the Arnauts under control and subject to His Imperial Majesty

These Chetniks changed them into Serbs and claim 'Patriarch of Clementa' and 'Archbishop of Albania' refers to Arsenije Crnojevic the guy who supposedly led a mass exodus of Serbs and a resistance against the Ottoman empire and then they were supposedly replaced by Albanians but it's actually referring to this guy Pjeter Bogdani who was an Albanian Archbishop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pjetër_Bogdani


Born in Prizren led a revolt against the Ottoman Empire and pro-Austrian movement together with the Albanian Toma Raspasani, Clementa is an Albanian name its an old name for 'Kelmendi' and he was known as the 'Archbishop of Albania'

They are the ones who led a resistance against Ottomans, not fucking Arsenije who ran like a fucking chicken to Belgrade where he gathered 30k-40k refugees.



Here it even mentions these Chetniks fighting on the Ottoman side with some Albanians:

Among the many and varying reports [34v] Piccolomini received was one that informed him that Mamut Bassa [Mahmut Pasha] had withdrawn from Scopia with 8,000 people, of whom 6,000 were soldiers, mostly Rascians and Albanese [Albanians] and was camped in a valley to the right of the town, two hours from our Imperial troops; and they were far enough from Scopia to resist the General and to get away from the disease that had taken over the town.

Yet these Chetniks claim only Albanians fought on Ottoman side




These Chetniks and their falsification of history ...... Any idiot studying documents from that time can debunk these Chetniks



Claim 100.000's Serbs left Kosovo in 1689 after a fucking organized Albanian revolt which they now claim as theirs and everybody thinks they have been leading a fucking 500 year holy war



How fucking pathetic can you get to claim other peoples history :lol.

[Wizz]

@Colonel Frank Grimes, and you think the historian Noel Malcolm is biased when he is actually more careful but even he says its false history as he has actually studied the documents

This is some serious falsification of history and a version that has become famous, entire wikipedia section on it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs (They claim 30k-40k or hundreds of thousands of Serbs departed from the region after a ''Serb'' revolt and were replaced by a mass immigration of Albanians from Northern Albania who came at the hands of the Ottomans when all the documents show the western region and central parts were largely Albanian and the revolt was led by Albanians and most people who joined the Austrians were Albanians, including tribes from Northern Albania. In their version they changed them into Serbs and the Albanians the people who fought only on the Ottoman side)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III_Crnojević (Claim this dude led a resistance against the Ottomans when he literally ran to Belgrade where he took the 30k-40k refugees from, some that had managed to escape came from Eastern Kosovo the rest came from all over Serb lands)

There was a famine during the revolt in Prishtina and in Skopje and the Albanian Bogdani died from the disease , this Arsenije dude ran away like a chicken and survived.


It's all a bunch of falsification of history invented by these people in the 19th-20th century that has become famous and that's the version you have been taught.


I will make a thread about this

[Wizz]

Look Colonel Frank Grimes. Just look here if you people doubt me , they claim this Serbian guy led a resistance against the Ottomans in Kosovo when he never did but it was an Albanian who also died of the plague and brought 6,000 soldiers to the Austrians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III_Crnojević

All wikipedia of this guy is from Serb sources, look what they claim that Arsenije met Austrians in Prizren:

In 1688, the Habsburg army took Belgrade and entered the territory of present-day Central Serbia. Louis William, Margrave of Baden-Baden called Arsenije III to raise arms against the Turks; the patriarch accepted and returned to the liberated Peć. As Serbia fell under Habsburg control, Leopold I granted Arsenije nobility and the title of duke. In early November, Arsenije III met with Habsburg commander-in-chief, General Enea Silvio Piccolomini in Prizren; after this talk he sent a note to all Serb bishops to come to him and collaborate only with Habsburg forces.

But this was actually the Albanian Pjeter Bogdani as the texts and archives from these events say:

For his part, he continued his march and arrived on the 6th, as reported earlier, in Prisiran [Prizren], the Capital of Albania, where he was welcomed by the Archbishop (5) [36r] of that country and by the Patriarch of Clementa with their various religious ceremonies. Outside of Priserin [Prizren] there were at least 6,000 Albanese [Albanian] troops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pjetër_Bogdani , He was born in Prizren, wrote himself etc

They have basically fabricated it and changed it. They also changed all the Albanians that revolted into Serbs They changed it into 6,000 Serb soldiers

and 20,000 Serb soldiers Prizren they changed into a Serb town .... They basically stole our peoples history

Then they claim we came down from the mountains at the hands of the Ottomans






The Serb guy never took 30k-40k Serb refugees from that place but ran like a chicken , he got away from the plague , he never brought any soldiers to the Austrians, it says 6,000 Albanian soldiers not Serb soldiers but they changed it into Serb soldiers

[Wizz]

This is from a historian who studied all the actual archives from 1689-1690 and their so called 'revolt in 1689-90 ' and 'Great Migration of 1690'

One early account states that in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks and many leaders of the surrounding places ... swore fealty to the Emperor.

Count Veterani, the commander of the Austrian campaign in this part of the Balkans in 1690, wrote in his memoirs of 20,000 Arnauts reduced to loyal obedience to the Emperor by Piccolomini


An anonymous history of the war, written in Italian (and surviving in manuscript in two forms: the full Italian text in the French Foreign Ministry archives, and an extract in German translation, entitled 'Annotationes und Reflexiones, in the Kriegsarchiv in Vienna), refers to more than 20,000 Rascians or Albanians. Some other early texts by writers who apparently had acces to original dispatches and documents specify Albanians: for example Franz Wagner, in his history of the region of Leopold I, used the words 'Arnautae' and 'Epirotae' - the latter being a term normally used to distinguish the Albanian language (and its speakers) from the Slav, ''Illyrian'', one.

And one of Piccolominis own officers, Colonel von Strasser, reported to Ludwig von Baden that Piccolomini had gone to Prizren in order to treat with 'The Albanians, Arnauts, and others (mit den Albanesernen, Arnauten und anderen')

Among the papers of Ludwig von Baden in Karlsruhe, there is a copy of an intercepted letter, in French, written by a secretary of the English Embassy in Istanbul on 19 January 1690: it reports that the 'Germans' in Kosovo have made contact with 20,000 Albanians who have turned their weapons against the Turks.

Most of this evidence points then towards the conclusion that the bulk of the people who rallied to Piccolomini in Prizren - both the 5,000 who came to the town to greet him, and the others who made up the total of 20,000 - were, by our modern criteria, Albanian

An anonymous text based on original documents, refers to Piccolomini being greeted at Prizren by '5,000 Arnauts who were partly Christian Albanians and partly Muslim Albanians

And the anonymous Italian manuscript history, which was also clearly based on dispatches and other documents kept in Vienna, says that 'There stood outside Prizren 6,000 and more Albanians

They claim these were all Serbs replaced by mass immigration from Northern Albania after their so called ''fake migration''


Rebels, Believers, Survivors: Studies in the History of the Albanians




I cannot get over this, I know I am spamming this thread but I just don't understand how someone can falsify history like this and even make it famous


I am in absolute shock



Literally any idiot that has a brain can debunk this nonsense by just looking at the demographic situation from that time from Ottoman sources, Austrian archives etc and many things.



According to the author in the book the people who revolted against the Ottomans were actually Albanian led by Catholic Albanian Pjeter Bogdani



He claims Arsenije the guy ran like a chicken to Belgrade where he took the 30k-40k refugees from only a quarter or so came from Kosovo from the Eastern Part.

[lei.talk]

is this how some one asks to be banned
without explicitly requesting to be banned?