Are the Scots Germanic?

[Dick]

Only the Presbyterian Scots are germanic

[Loki]

But in prehistoric times Central Asia had the highest percentage of blondism (as ancient DNA shows).

Yup, the ancient Kurgan descendants; Scyths. They left their traces in Europe, especially among Eastern Slavs.

[Septentrion]

Are Scots Germanic? Before I came on TA I was on Skadi for about a week, and they were discussing the fact that Scots are/should be considered as Germanic. I know that the Scots were invaded by the Norse, the Romans, and the Germanics (angles, saxons, jutes) but are they Germanic? What is your take on this, what are your views/beliefs?

I know that this is a heated debate, and some have very strong opposing views, but lets please act like civilized beings here, not dark barbarians, because I'd really like an answer and to see peoples views.

For a better view, over 50% of Lowland Scottish males have Germanic paternal lineages ( R1b-U106, I1a, R1a-L664, R1a-Z284, I2a2a-Z161), while over 66% of the Highland Scottish males have the quintessential Gaelic paternal lineage (R1b-L21). While those in the Orkneys, Shetland Islands about 60% have the Norse lineage.

[Septentrion]

I'd say they're a Celtic-Germanic mix.

On the scale of most Germanic to most Celtic:

English
Scottish
Irish

I don't know where the Welsh would fit in.

Oh smart one! Obviously the Welsh come in before the Irish!!!!!

Most Germanic to most Celtic
English
Scottish
Welsh
Irish.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Partially.

[Dandelion]

Depends. They are at least Germanised for a large part, except the Gaelic-speaking minority. I would guessed the largest admixture they have is Celtic though. In the Middle Ages Gaelic was still spoken in Glasgow. Those days have long past... I don't know more, I'm just assuming. How many Anglo-Saxons moved to Scotland to Anglicise the land?

[TEUTORIGOS]

Ulster Irish and Scots are Celto-Germanic but Scots are slightly more Germanic than Ulster Irish.

Most Germanic to most Celtic
English
Scottish
Ulster Irish/ Ulster Scots
Welsh
Irish.

Mainland Scots are halfway between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics.

[Tauromachos]

Are Scots Germanic? Before I came on TA I was on Skadi for about a week, and they were discussing the fact that Scots are/should be considered as Germanic. I know that the Scots were invaded by the Norse, the Romans, and the Germanics (angles, saxons, jutes) but are they Germanic? What is your take on this, what are your views/beliefs?

I know that this is a heated debate, and some have very strong opposing views, but lets please act like civilized beings here, not dark barbarians, because I'd really like an answer and to see peoples views.

Does being invaded by someone change your ethnicity?

Scots are Celts Dude.
Welsh,Irish are different from Scots but also Celts.

If there is something true to this at all,its that native people in Germany at least in South West Germany where Celtic
also.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Does being invaded by someone change your ethnicity?

Scots are Celts Dude.
Welsh,Irish are different from Scots but also Celts.

If there is something true to this at all,its that native people in Germany at least in South West Germany where Celtic
also.

Well, the thing is the only reason why Scots identify as Celts rather than Celto-Germanic is to differentiate themselves from the English. If the English weren't so Germanic then the Scots would probably be more open about identifying as Celto-Germanic rather than simply Celtic. Their genetics don't lie and their main language is Germanic :

"
CELTS AND ANGLO-SAXONS
Posted on June 13, 2003 by Razib Khan

I have at last got my hands on C. Capelli et al.: A Y Chromosome Census of the British Isles, Current Biology, vol. 13, 979-984, 27 May 2003.

Capelli et al. took DNA samples from men in 25 small towns around the British Isles, excluding men whose paternal grandfathers were born more than 20 miles away. For comparison they also took samples from Norway, Denmark, North Germany (Schleswig-Holstein), Friesland (Netherlands), and the Basque region of Spain. Using comparison of Y chromosome haplotypes, the Danish, North German and Frisian samples are all closely similar to each other, but the Norwegian sample is significantly different from these, and the Basque sample is widely different.

In a Principal Components analysis the Irish and Welsh samples (with one exception) cluster together with the Basque sample, supporting earlier findings. As the Basques speak a pre-Indo-European language, this suggests that the Irish and Welsh (so-called ‘Celts’) have a largely pre-Celtic genetic ancestry, possibly going back to the Palaeolithic. In Britain, the Orkneys, Shetlands, Western Isles, Isle of Man, and Cumbria (Penrith) show a clear Norwegian input, as expected. Elsewhere in mainland Britain there is no obvious Norwegian input, but varying degrees of German/Danish ancestry. Scottish mainland sites are intermediate between English sites and the ‘indigenous’ (Welsh/Irish) ones. However, all the English and Scottish sites show some ‘indigenous’ ancestry. The German/Danish component is strongest in eastern England and weakest in England south of the Thames.

Most of this is unsurprising, but there are two more controversial conclusions.
One is the claim that ‘the results seem to suggest that in England the Danes had a greater demographic impact than the Anglo-Saxons’. This is based on the finding that the German/Danish element is strongest in areas like Yorkshire that are known to have been settled by Danes. The conclusion seems to me a non-sequitur. The areas settled by Danes were the areas most exposed to invasion from Denmark and North Germany, and they got a double dose of German/Danish genes: first from the Angles, then the Danes. It would be very surprising if they did not have the strongest German/Danish element.

The other controversial conclusion is that the German/Danish element in southern England (south of the Thames) is limited, and that the male ancestry of this area ‘appears to be predominantly indigenous’. This may be true, but I would want to see it replicated with different samples and methods before taking it as firmly established. It should perhaps be noted that the samples with the smallest German/Danish element all come from areas (Wessex, Sussex, and Kent) reputedly settled by Saxons and Jutes, while the samples with larger German/Danish elements come from areas settled by Angles (East Anglia, Mercia and Northumbria). Conceivably there was already a genetic difference between these three ethnic groups before migration, though this does not seem particularly likely, as they all came from much the same area of Northern Europe.

As Capelli et al. recognise, their results seem to conflict with those of Weale et al., ‘Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration’, Molecular Biology and Evolution, 2002, vol. 19, pp.1008-21, which found a sharp distinction between central English and Welsh populations, but no significant difference between the English population and a Frisian sample. This discrepancy needs to be reconciled...."

https://gnxp.nofe.me/2003/06/13/celts-and-anglo-saxons/

[Tauromachos]

Don't know, i always thought of them as Celts.
But perhabs they have alot of Germanic influence.
You made a well detailed and reasonable post to back up your theory

I think overall much of Britains population "English included" are a blend of Scandinavians,Celts and
Germanics.
But the first inhabitants of the Island where Celts i believe,weren't they?