Im afraid if Orbán wins again, then the CIA makes a bloody putsch and civil war in Hungary

[Teutone]

^^^^abortion is legal in Hungary and rate of abortions is above European average. It is not Poland.

He aims to more liberal abortion laws than they already are.

[Jana]

He could be a decent person by himself but what I don't like is that he's leading a coalition of BLM supporters, globalists/wokes who don't believe in nations, borders etc.

Yes, that bothers me as well. I am not anti Orban but this guy intrigues me.

[Jana]

He aims to more liberal abortion laws than they already are.

I see, that's bad. Btw, prostitution is legal in Hungary too and Budapest is one of leading porn producing cities in Europe.
Hungarian society is very nationalist, but not really conservative.

They have liberal nationalist traditions since Lajos Kossuth, which was in line with French Revolution.

[Teutone]

Hungarian opposition leader Peter Marki-Zay has said if he wins the election, he would “probably” rescind the 2018 law criminalising lawyers and activists who help asylum seekers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-59404551

[Teutone]

I see, that's bad. Btw, prostitution is legal in Hungary too and Budapest is one of leading porn producing cities in Europe.
Hungarian society is very nationalist, but not really conservative.

They have liberal nationalist traditions since Lajos Kossuth, which was in line with French Revolution.

Like Putin, Orban doesnt created a traditionalist society.
Yet both also imbeded no law whatsoever promoting the moral questionable aspects of their society.
While opposition candidates would increase the immorality even further.

Realpolitik

[Universe]

I see, that's bad. Btw, prostitution is legal in Hungary too and Budapest is one of leading porn producing cities in Europe.
Hungarian society is very nationalist, but not really conservative.

They have liberal nationalist traditions since Lajos Kossuth, which was in line with French Revolution.

Nationalism itself is arguably a conservative concept because in the past nationalism was more of a social norm than nowadays. Religion and abortion are not hot topics here like in Poland. Hungary is conservative in some ways, in other ways it's not. Overall it is certainly more conservative than western Europe for good or and for ill.

[Teutone]

I hope Orban created a deep state that secures the victory on all scenarios.

Hope the same for Reis Erdogan.

Times of liberal democracies are over, they lead to Volkstod.

[Jana]

Nationalism itself is arguably a conservative concept because in the past nationalism was more of a social norm than nowadays. Religion and abortion are not hot topics here like in Poland. Hungary is conservative in some ways, in other ways it's not. Overall it is certainly more conservative than western Europe for good or and for ill.

Well, nationalists were considered modern/progressive in 19th century, idea that language bonds people more than social class or religion was rather new. Conservatives back than preferred old feudal society/empires where ethnicity didn't matter much.
Back than, nationalists wanted to abolish feudalism and absolute monarchies and create ethnic based parliamentary republics and free serfs.

Nationalism united people via common origin/language, and that was modern concept than.

But yes, today nationalism is indeed conservative idea, to preserve nation states against globalism.

[Russki]

^^^^abortion is legal in Hungary and rate of abortions is above European average. It is not Poland.

Cool map

You can see where Poles live vs where Lithuanians live


Edit: no, it's actually more complicated. Why is Lithuania such a mess?

[Jana]

I hope Orban created a deep state that secures the victory on all scenarios.

Hope the same for Reis Erdogan.

Times of liberal democracies are over, they lead to Volkstod.

I think he will, he's not Trump. If he doesn't win legally, he'll win nevertheless.
That's what I think. We will see if that's god or bad prediction.