Should the EU be destroyed or reformed?

[Creoda]

[QUOTE=Teutone;7517110]

We can't all be as beneficent as the Germans


The thing is that I never claim the things you do in regards to Germany, not delusional.

Thats are trait of you.

What do I claim that's untrue? I know you're a self-hating German/Northerner, you've made it clear for years.

[Wulfhere]

Well the EU was blamed for all the ills happening including immigration. When this was being discussed on here I said that non-European immigration would increase and anyway non-European immigration was all under the control of the UK but many people voted for Brexit to get control of their borders. Now instead of Europeans coming there are many more non-Europeans. They won't stop immigration in countries because who is going to pick the fruit and do all the other jobs that needs to be done but can't be filled locally? Also for the UK to get trade deals with places like India they are going to have to give visas to Indians. The UK also offered millions of Hong Kongers the right to live in the UK. I don't see how that is taking back control of your borders.

Again, that's the fault of those running the country, not of Brexit. Brexit allows us to control our borders, should we want to.

[Teutone]

[QUOTE=Creoda;7517112]

What do I claim that's untrue? I know you're a self-hating German/Northerner, you've made it clear for years.

The claim that Britain was a force that was against immigration in the EU.
It was at most a force against inner-EU immigration yet completely open and supportive of non-European immigration ever since.

I am not a self hating German, having any sympathy towards modern Germany would make me self hating, plus I am not nordic.

[Creoda]

[QUOTE=Teutone;7517114]

The claim that Britain was a force that was against immigration in the EU.
It was at most a force against inner-EU immigration yet completely open and supportive of non-European immigration ever since.

I am not a self hating German, having any sympathy towards modern Germany would make me self hating, plus I am not nordic.

I didn't say that though, only that the UK was against monetary union and open borders in Europe, essentially being against further European integration, not that the UK govt is pro-white or anything. I'm as disgusted with the British government as you are with the German government.

[Teutone]

[QUOTE=Creoda;7517117]

I didn't say that though, only that the UK was against monetary union and open borders in Europe, essentially being against further European integration, not that the UK govt is pro-white or anything. I'm as disgusted with the British government as you are with the German government.

My bad then.

I am and was fully for Brexit dont get me wrong, and I wasnt for it cause id think it would play out bad for the UK, if the UK will end up being economically successful it would help other eurosceptic movements by being a positive example.
At the end all the horror scenarios presented by MSM were a lie and sensationalist, which is already something positive, the push for more 3rd world integration is a disaster but would have happened regardless of the EU membership, no European population deserves the great replacement.

[Grace O'Malley]

Again, that's the fault of those running the country, not of Brexit. Brexit allows us to control our borders, should we want to.

How are you controlling your borders? Your immigration from non-EU countries is at record levels. You keep saying that it's the fault of those running the country but they are the ones you elected because they promised that with Brexit you would have sunlit uplands and control of your borders. Isn't that why the public wanted Brexit to control their borders? So why is this not happening and instead you have record numbers of immigration from non-European countries? The point being that Brexit has just meant you have less European immigration and more from African and Asian countries.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...levels-178874/

[Teutone]

How are you controlling your borders? Your immigration from non-EU countries is at record levels. You keep saying that it's the fault of those running the country but they are the ones you elected because they promised that with Brexit you would have sunlit uplands and control of your borders. Isn't that why the public wanted Brexit to control their borders? So why is this not happening and instead you have record numbers of immigration from non-European countries? The point being that Brexit has just meant you have less European immigration and more from African and Asian countries.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...levels-178874/

All that would happen regardless of Brexit.

Yet its better to be a sovereign nation with mass immigration instead of being a non-sovereign nation with mass immigration.
The fact that the UK is out of the EU at least gives them the possibility of stopping the great replacement.

[Grace O'Malley]

All that would happen regardless of Brexit.

Yet its better to be a sovereign nation with mass immigration instead of being a non-sovereign nation with mass immigration.
The fact that the UK is out of the EU at least gives them the possibility of stopping the great replacement.

It won't happen though. UK will just have more non-EU immigration. The UK has always had immigration from the Commonwealth countries so instead of EU countries they will just have increased immigration from out of Europe. All of Europe needs to work together to stop illegal immigration. I don't see them doing this though. Britain has said they will send some illegals to Rwanda but apparently these will only be a small number. I don't know why they can't do something similar to Australia with their turn the boats back policy?

[Wulfhere]

How are you controlling your borders? Your immigration from non-EU countries is at record levels. You keep saying that it's the fault of those running the country but they are the ones you elected because they promised that with Brexit you would have sunlit uplands and control of your borders. Isn't that why the public wanted Brexit to control their borders? So why is this not happening and instead you have record numbers of immigration from non-European countries? The point being that Brexit has just meant you have less European immigration and more from African and Asian countries.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...levels-178874/

It's not happening because of the duplicity of those in charge. Outside the EU we have the right to control our own borders, but the government is choosing not to. And the term "sunlit uplands" is only ever used by Remainers.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's not happening because of the duplicity of those in charge. Outside the EU we have the right to control our own borders, but the government is choosing not to. And the term "sunlit uplands" is only ever used by Remainers.

Yes the Tory Government are completely duplicitous. They have lied about everything. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be much choice for the British at the moment.