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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    Yeah but Ancient Macedonian = Illyrian , not "Greek" , Macedonians and Illyrians were the same people or quite similar .
    North Macedonia bordered Illyria, not South Greece, so it makes sense they're genetically closer to them. Get samples from the regions of Greek Macedonia, Epirus, Thrace, and Thessaly; and it'll probably show that there's a continuum going from Illyrians to Mycenaeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    Yeah sure... I bet you know this , Vikings' History is full of glorious Female Warriors same as Slavic History which is part of Viking world.
    Maybe in myths and legends
    Not in reality

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    Another myth that got debunked was Ancient Egyptians being significantly more SSA admixed than modern ones. But it turns out that Egyptians gained SSA admixture over time (Trans-Saharan Slave Trade) instead of the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Another myth that got debunked was Ancient Egyptians being significantly more SSA admixed than modern ones. But it turns out that Egyptians gained SSA admixture over time (Trans-Saharan Slave Trade) instead of the opposite.
    How much is the SSA admixture in modern Egyptians compared to ancient ones?

    Throw in the SSA admix numbers for modern/ancient Ethiopians, if you have them available

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    Afaik we don't have Illyrian samples autosomal DNA. I saw Bronze and Iron age autosomal from Dalmatia and they were between modern Catalonia and Lombardy.
    Illyrians during roman times were probably similar to north-centre Italians.
    I think the theory that south slavs ethnogenesis was still in the making in 1100 AD is plausible as we saw a medioeval montenegrin sample with bosnian-like admixture, that is with more slavic input and we also saw Vlachs were mentioned as a different group in serbian law. Maybe they completed the mixing at the end of the middle ages and the first century of turkish rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dviz View Post
    They say that because you're Moldovan.

    When they talk to me (a Wallachian) they badmouth Moldovans sneaky Hungarians
    Never had a problem making Hungarian friends so idk, maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    I think the theory that south slavs ethnogenesis was still in the making in 1100 AD is plausible as we saw a medioeval montenegrin sample with bosnian-like admixture, that is with more slavic input and we also saw Vlachs were mentioned as a different group in serbian law. Maybe they completed the mixing at the end of the middle ages and the first century of turkish rule.
    But this medieval sample from Bitola prove that ethnogenesis were almost done in 11th century.

    She is neither closest to Ukrainian or Poles as samples of proto-Slavs, neither to some Italian or Greek averages as pre-Slavic populations.
    She is closest to Moldovan and Serbian.
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    That English are mostly descended from Celtic Britons, and are like Insular Celts with a bit more Germanic ancestry.

    Unlike most of the silly myths posted so far, most people on this forum and elsewhere actually believed this until the recent Anglo-Saxon study, and may still do.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Afaik we don't have Illyrian samples autosomal DNA. I saw Bronze and Iron age autosomal from Dalmatia and they were between modern Catalonia and Lombardy.
    Illyrians during roman times were probably similar to north-centre Italians.
    I think the theory that south slavs ethnogenesis was still in the making in 1100 AD is plausible as we saw a medioeval montenegrin sample with bosnian-like admixture, that is with more slavic input and we also saw Vlachs were mentioned as a different group in serbian law. Maybe they completed the mixing at the end of the middle ages and the first century of turkish rule.

    There are some Illyrian and proto-Illyrian samples from BA to IA, from Croatia, Northern Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia. From cultures such as Vucedol, Cetina and Glasinac Mati. There are also Bronze Age samples from Northern Serbia from Maros Culture.

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    What we don't have are samples from proto-Illyrian cultures such as Bela Crkva which would include modern Serbia, more Glasinac Mati samples from Central and Western Balkans (also Bosnia) and maybe more Vucedol samples. Also IA Dardanian samples. But they will possibly be similar to IA Albania from Kukes which was Glasinac Mati.

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