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Please don't with Malcolm, that subhuman is an Albanian lobbyist.
Vlach of Kosovo and Herzegovina in the high and late middle age were social class, not some Latin speaking element. They were vlachs, not Vlachs. They were Serbian speakers and Slavic - Paleobalkanic genetic mix similar as modern Serbs. Most of their names were Serbian Slavic folk names, more than calendar/biblical. Among Kosovo vlachs only few names pulling oh the Vlachs side like Aukar, Negul, Balin, Baldovin (last one is debatable, might be of western origin). Names of Kosovo vlachs from charter of Serbian king Milutin to monastery Banjska or 'St. Stephen Chrysobull' (1314-16) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-37700002
Names (and patronymics) of the members of Herzegovinian vlach clan Mirilovići (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirilovići) mentioned from 1365. to 1469. Domination of Serbian Slavic folk names, and 0% of Balkan Romance (aka Vlachic) names. Btw Y DNA of Mirilovići is determined, and it's Slavic I2-PH3414 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-PH3414/
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I wasn't quoting his opinion, the screenshot is part of the original Serbian text of the Žiča Charter, which I could only find posted by him. I couldn't find the original text of the charter online.
So if there were a few Vlach names of Vlach origin like Aukar, Negul, etc, doesn't that mean they were Vlach rather than vlach? Do Serbs ever have such names like Aukar, Negul, etc?Vlach of Kosovo and Herzegovina in the high and late middle age were social class, not some Latin speaking element. They were vlachs, not Vlachs. They were Serbian speakers and Slavic - Paleobalkanic genetic mix similar as modern Serbs. Most of their names were Serbian Slavic folk names, more than calendar/biblical. Among Kosovo vlachs only few names pulling oh the Vlachs side like Aukar, Negul, Balin, Baldovin (last one is debatable, might be of western origin). Names of Kosovo vlachs from charter of Serbian king Milutin to monastery Banjska or 'St. Stephen Chrysobull' (1314-16) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-37700002
Do you think the 1198 source from Hilander refers to vlachs instead of Vlachs too?
When do you think Vlachs got Slavicized in Serbia? And do you think they would've used lots of Slavic names before they got completely Slavicized?
What do you make of that Serbo-Croatian source that says Vlachs were ethnically distinguished from Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. in the High Middle Ages?
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Croatia i think, but i might be wrong...
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It happened very early, in my opinion.
This 11th century North Macedonian sample has autosomal genetic similar to modern Serbs.
Distance to: MKD_MA:I2530
0.02649123 Moldovan
0.02950083 Serbian
0.03085576 Romanian
0.03195199 Montenegrin
0.03443137 Bulgarian
0.03584209 Bosnian
0.03609124 Macedonian
0.03677063 Croatian
0.03776997 Gagauz
0.03817394 Slovenian
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Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.7521% / 0.01752098
60.4 Slavic: RUS_Sunghir_MA
29.8 Roman: SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje
9.8 Byzantine: TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz2
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Genetic mixing between Slavs and Vlachs in the Balkans started earlier than anyone expected. Sample from eastern Serbia from 9th century with Slavic Y DNA is half Slavic half Balkan autosomally. Sample from Macedonia from 11th century is like modern Moldovans and Serbs. Samples from Montenegro from 9th to 12th century are also Slavic - Balkanic mix (https://i.ibb.co/SPyHg97/IMG-20220522-224014.jpg).
Earlier i thought Serbs and other south Slavs 800-900 years ago were almost same as Slavs from 6-7th century, and that mixing with Vlachs is product of late middle age and Ottoman period. South Slavs from 11-12th century were genetically closer to modern south Slavs than to early south Slavs.
I am pretty sure that in present day Serbia in high middle age Vlachs (with big V) who were Romance speakers and genetically quite dominant paleo Balkanic in higher number existed only in the southeast towards the modern border with Bulgaria.
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My closest population on G25 ancient sheets are medieval Docleans, for my parents too.
They were more south Croat/Bosnian like than like modern Montenegrins and even Serbs.
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