Germany: Muslim celebrity deliberately infected men with HIV

[Óttar]

Hello?! The voice of reason

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.

[Mesrine]

So much for Muslim 'high morals'.

LOL, where did she say she was religious? People aren't necessarily stuck with the religious background of their ancestors (thank god for that ).

BTW she's super hot, no wonder she tricked so many folks.

[Sol Invictus]

Hang her. She's a biohazard.

[Mesrine]

Hang her. She's a biohazard.

Nah, wearing condoms will be enough.

[Nodens]

One of the few things I agreed with Huckabee on: mandatory screening and quarantine.

As punishment, solitary confinement without access to medical treatment.

[Absinthe]

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.

Well honey, in my book it's 1/2 your own fault and 1/2 the fault of the guy who has sex with you without a condom.

We're talking about consenting adults here. And I'm sure she didn't "rape" them

[Skandi]

No if you do it while knowing that you have AIDS then you are deliberately killing people, that is murder. Yes they were stupid, but that does not excuse them, if I walk down a street alone and am murdered, is it my fault because I did not take precautions?

[Absinthe]

if I walk down a street alone and am murdered, is it my fault because I did not take precautions?

Bad analogy: that would be the equivalent of her attacking and raping them

She is a criminal but they were also consenting adults, they could have as well avoided the tragedy they brought upon themselves.

Just for once, I wish citizens would become more responsible of their own actions and not run to the nanny-state for help everytime their stupidity backfires at them, like Jimbo said.

[Lenny]

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.

There are occasionally stories of HIV-infected men who deliberately prey on young women, soon enough sweet-talking them to bed-- the nihilistic aim being to spread HIV to as many as possible.

There is a universal condemnation of, and outrage at, this behavior. It hits somewhere deep in our spirit, inspiring normally-passive men to bloodlust against this "inhuman scum".

This reaction is normal. But it does not occur (nearly as much) when the deliberately-spreading offender is a woman. See this thread for instance.

In my view, this points to chivalric instincts-- we are very hesitant to give any blame to a woman for her behavior. It is always the man's fault: "If these men had sex with her, it is their own fault for being stupid and promiscuous." One cannot imagine such a callous reaction to the newly-HIV-infected women who caught the virus from one of the males mentioned in the first sentence of this post.

And yet women have much more power in the realm of sexuality. They decide whether sex will take place.


This discussion is moot, though, because so few HIV-infections among Europeans occur via heterosexual contact:
Only 1.2% of the million U.S. men infected with HIV acquired it from heterosexual sex

[Lenny]

I wholeheartedly agree that casual sex is madness, and that people are disgustingly stupid in their sexual behaviour, especially with foreigners (the risk of this activity is shockingly swept under the carpet) but such malicious behaviour is pure manslaughter.

I wouldn't dream of even speaking to such a creature, and yet I am still put at risk by her antics, if a lover has slept with a man who slept with a woman who slept with a man who slept with her, and so on. And the risk of infection by other means is also increased, such as through blood transfusions etc. She deserves punishment. Perhaps even drastic stuff that stops her libido for good or similar - easier for a man, than a woman, I suppose, but something to think about.

Oswiu is right.

The real culprit -of course- is the poisoned nature of modern western MTV-pornography-SexintheCity culture, that aggressively promotes promiscuity.

But in light of that, as Oswiu says it is even more imperative than otherwise to severely punish those who deliberately infect others.

When a military unit is conducting a retreat maneuver, fighting hard and with steely determination takes on an importance far greater than when the front is static.