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    An interesting article of opinion, and I guess controversial, about the fate of the world.

    Did you know that Xi was hunted and his sister commited suicide? or that Putin was a taxi driver?

    China will lose almost half of its population by the end of the century and Russia will be majority Muslim by 2063. The imperial fantasies of Putin and Xi, as well as those of Trump, are on their way to evaporating under the sun of history.
    Psychological defeats are the most serious of all. Nations drag their consequences for many years, generations even.
    China was defeated in its own country against the British and French empires, Spain in Cuba, the United States in Vietnam, France in Algeria, the USSR in the Cold War. Defeats write history as much or more than victories and, of course, condition the present.

    China, Russia and the United States want to win not only to dominate the world, but to forget the humiliations of the past. The same thing happens to Xi, Putin and Trump. It is something personal, typical of authoritarian leaders. They confuse their particular interest with the interest of the State.
    History teaches us that no one, no leader, earns anything forever. Victories are ephemeral compared to historical time. Even those that last more than a century fade with the next twist of fate.

    When the road goes awry, open societies survive more easily than closed ones. Where tyranny, violence and subjugation flourished, the defeats have been much deeper and more lasting.

    When they fall, the autocrats drag down their people and states. This has been the case throughout history. It is likely, therefore, that Xi will drag China, Putin to Russia and Trump to the United States if he regains the presidency next year.
    All three are united by the personal experience of psychological defeat, of humiliation, of not having been accepted in their respective societies.
    Xi went through jail and ruin, his father's degradation and his sister's suicide.
    Putin's mother had him single and he never met his father. Mother and son lived with extreme modesty until he joined the KGB. When the Berlin Wall fell and he lost his job in Soviet counterespionage, he drove a taxi and returned to a small flat in St. Petersburg.
    Trump grew up in Queens, New York's most mafia district, far from the elites of upper Manhattan who, despite his fortune, never considered him one of their own.

    Having won for several years, now the three of them have started to lose. They are on the verge of their last redemption. If Trump doesn't return to the White House, he'll be over forever, but America will pull through.
    Putin and Xi have it harder. They are not Mao or Stalin. They cannot be and this is good for the world. Technology allows them to subjugate the masses, but not to mobilize them. Progress has reinforced individualism even in the most authoritarian regimes. The Chinese and Russians put up with the leader, but they don't follow him. They are not messianic. We see no patriotic fervor on the streets of Russia and China.

    Xi and Putin dream of leading changes that haven't been seen in a hundred years, but they can't change their own people. Xi has a project of national rejuvenation that is almost impossible to fulfill. Demographic projections indicate that by the end of the century China will have lost almost half of its population.
    Russia, already suffering from demographic decline, will also see Muslims in the majority in 2063.
    The size of the population and the territory have been decisive in consolidating geostrategic hegemonies. Xi, Putin and Trump know this. They know what they are up against: the end of a China at the center of the world, as well as the end of a white, Christian Russia and America.
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    Europe can compensate for intellectual decline by fostering the humanities and demographic decline by accepting immigrants who will not want to live in China or Russia for nothing in the world. When circumstances require it and institutional and political corsets allow it, open societies are creative, flexible and supportive. Much more than the closed ones.
    If democratic leaders in Europe and the United States take all this into account, they will be able to negotiate with China and Russia from an advantageous position. Notice how Xi listens to European leaders when they ask him to convince Putin to withdraw from Ukraine.
    It is true that these European leaders are small and improvised. Their changes of course are discouraging, but in their doubts and modesties also lies the solidity of our progress. They are not strong, but neither do they go down in an spiral like Xi, Putin and Trump do. They don't win much, but they don't lose either. We should not forget that time is always in favor of modest and resilient turtles.
    https://www.lavanguardia.com/interna...n-derrota.html

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    You re a multiculturalist-globalist anti Russian and anti-christian degenerated troll!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    You re a multiculturalist-globalist anti Russian and anti-christian degenerated troll!!!
    Yeah, the journalist has ideological preferences, that's obvious. And some of them I find disgusting, like his defeatism/acceptance in front of massive illegal immigration.
    Muslims and blacks will inherit the world just because they're backward, incapable and poor and procreate like rats... and there is nothing we can do or even we should do, is our fate.

    But it doesn't invalidate all his discourse, specially how he sees these 3 leaders and their countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Yeah, the journalist has ideological preferences, that's obvious. And some of them I find disgusting, like his defeatism/acceptance in front of massive illegal immigration.
    Muslims and blacks will inherit the world just because they're backward, incapable and poor and procreate like rats... and there is nothing we can do or even we should do, is our fate.

    But it doesn't invalidate all his discourse, specially how he sees these 3 leaders and their countries.
    I was joking.

    About the article, with some luck we will see what happens.

    Anything is possible.

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    Leftists are so confused with little values they even rub shoulders with Neo Nazis these days.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    Yeah, the journalist has ideological preferences, that's obvious. And some of them I find disgusting, like his defeatism/acceptance in front of massive illegal immigration.
    Muslims and blacks will inherit the world just because they're backward, incapable and poor and procreate like rats... and there is nothing we can do or even we should do, is our fate.

    But it doesn't invalidate all his discourse, specially how he sees these 3 leaders and their countries.
    You are not going to run the country with present ageing demographics. With one kid TFR, economies of countries like Germany and Canada will be in ruins. Immigration is the last resort to save western hegemony in world politics.

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    Putin and Xi are making out like bandits, and Trump is soaring in the polls (he's at the top). I could use a "defeat" like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Leftists are so confused with little values they even rub shoulders with Neo Nazis these days.
    Why not? Both groups despise civil rights and free speech, and both groups force and push their beliefs on other people. This is why good citizens should disobey all gun laws. Disarmed people get sent to camp (British, Cambodian, German, Russian,....).

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    This article is true, no good to deny the truth, that the patriotism in both Russia and China are declining and the leaders are trying hard to consolidate the nationalist awareness, through either annexing other countries or asserting historical claims. But the USA is not a normal imperialism but rather a global forum of powers, every country is legally in control of the USA from ones own core of national leadership, whatever the USA is doing in the world is not for american interest only, but also for the global interest of each nation`s core mandates. Therefore a nationalism built on the antithesis against the supposed "american imperialism" will be false. As a matter of fact, a truly souvereign country does not need nationalism, not even patriotism, such anticlimaxes to human developments.

    So far I think CCP is doing a good job, they actually acknowledge the global role of the USA, also maintaining a clear regional policy. However they are doing a good job in some areas, the traditional chinese mindset is to settle down for one ideology for a very long time once they feel they have achieved something, at least for the chinese mass, the nationalism of China is therefore more about settling down and slowing down. But the world is more multifaceted than the routine that chinese people are used to. In order to adapt to the changing world, CCP will always have to reform and to what point they can reform at the cost of people is not clear and the legitimacy of doing this is also awaiting appraisal. But as to nationalism, their version is a bit better than the american democracy, since I have stated that the american democracy is wired globally to every country making the world rule the USA not vice versa. As long as there is still an international interest to be compete for, the USA will always thrive. China can not adopt the US style system, it will be total death of culture and spirit, the final stage of communist corruption. It is a good thing that Russia and China are no longer hankering after nationalist zeals. But it does not mean we are foolish enough to buy into second handed systems to make us more miserable than anytime before. Rather, we will be more individualistic, more expressive in our ideas, more rational than ever.
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    什么美国主宰欧洲,什么欧洲跟着美国屁股跑就是个笑话,真正控制美国的世界各国的精英阶层,美国的统治者不 需要非得住在美国,这才是美国的真面目。犹太精英只是这些世界精英们的代理罢了。欧洲,日本,俄罗斯,包括 了中国,乃至各个美国以外的所有国家才是真正的世界统治阶级。把美国描述成世界霸权是信息误导,我们世界各 国的利益争夺,导致了美国的诞生,利用美国来作为调停者与仲裁者,好比法官与民众,虽然法官可以执行法律, 然而真正的立法人与主宰是民众,美国与世界就是这么个关系,美国就像是法官,他的权利与职责是我们给予的。 世界大同早就形成了,而且一直都是真正的国际民主体制,一般人看不懂而已啦。所以,只要发展好自己,就绝对 没有必要害怕美国,相对的,欧洲和日本这样的老牌国家才是真正的长期竞争者。我们之间隔着一个美国,和一个 俄罗斯,对欧洲的关系,永远不能乐观的,哪怕是悲观也不要紧。我们应该拉拢美国或俄罗斯对付欧洲,而不是相 反。与法国德国过度拉拢,冷落美国,是一个小小的错误,需要慢慢改回来。欧洲远远比你们认为强大的多,别掉 以轻心。

    Europe and China can not be real friends, to be honest, if we define friends as who we can trust in intimate matters, and who would not betray you and sell you for their own exclusive gains, either Europe and China will do this to each other. Japan is the similar case, the proud history of Emperor can never comprise japanese to become anyone`s friend even the USA, they do not need friends. It is their powerful economic and cultural backgrounds that enable them, europeans or japanese to befriend foreigners. However to those people who are non-european and japanese, they are easily misguided to believe they are paying the same commitment to mutual trust as naive people used to do in the name of a kind of innocent friendship. Civilized people can play more roles all the less developed people can imagine. This is why we tend to see them as hypocrites, but the truth is, it is our own weakness that can only comply to hypocrisy and fail our own believes, one word: weakness. You are naked, spiritually, your friendship is like a woman`s love complaint, destined to be left behind, if not developed in human values. This is the main discrepancy between developed and underdeveloped countries. China, Korea, however technologically compitent, but spiritually still weaker, so the chaos can be easily induced by the west. Here we will need the USA and Russia as our partners, because more or less, they are in the similar situation, american people are feeling betrayed, sold, looked down by everyone else, this is how we should feel if we are self-awared, not to mention the well-known Russia`s western complex. Do not be stupid, not just Europe, also Japan down deep in their minds, they look down on us. Know your situation, be a real human, nothing else can be truly powerful.

    If China become civilized as much as the world, China do not need friends as well, friendship will be just a sentimental period of every biological being with each other, you can be a friend to a dog or a bird, while not to any human. This is civilization. Coldly rational, if warmth in sentimental relations, we must be universally humane as well, like how we should treat the nature, through the medium of art, nature, even nations, not directly.
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