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    In my city a big street is named after Dzerzhinsky:
    https://yandex.ru/maps/35/krasnodar/...erp_navig&z=11

    A few Soviet cities were named after him. At least one Russian city still is:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzerzhinsk,_Russia

    Hard to miss his name.
    Do what you should.

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    Frederic Chopin or Marie Curie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    OK, fair enough. I'd never really looked into it, just knew his nationality was disputed.
    Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing.

    His nationality was undisputably Polish, just like in the case of Władysław Anders for example (ethnically German):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%8...C5%82aw_Anders

    Quote Originally Posted by noricum View Post
    Frederic Chopin or Marie Curie
    Correct according to "Pantheon" website:

    https://pantheon.world/explore/ranki...2023&place=pol

    But maybe it will change if we add also Polish people born in former Eastern Kresy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kresy#...ties_and_towns

    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Ears View Post
    so Maria Sklodovskaya - Kyuri is Russian by this logic
    Based on what is she Russian? She was born in Congress Poland, in Warsaw and she did nothing good for the Russians.
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    Lots of good answers and the two I had in mind were mentioned.

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    Maybe Fryderyk Nietzsche, he identified as Polish:

    https://culture.pl/en/article/was-nietzsche-polish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    His nationality was undisputably Polish
    See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    , just like in the case of Władysław Anders for example (ethnically German):
    Wladyslaw Anders was, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    Based on what is she Russian? She was born in Congress Poland, in Warsaw and she did nothing good for the Russians.
    The ethnic polka Maria Skłodowska was born on 7th of November 1867 in Warsaw. I don't know exactly when in 1867 the last features of independence of Congress Poland were ceased, but I guess it was before that date, which would make her a Russian national (citizen) at birth. Do you maybe know the exact date for those changes?

    Interestingly Royal Prussia (that had German as constitutional administration language and hence can be called a German state) had pretty much the same relationship with Poland as Congress Poland had with Russia. It was an independent state that had in a personal union as a head of the state the monarch of another (bigger) state. But while Congress Poland was fucked up by Russia ultimately in 1867 the respective happened to Royal Prussia by Poland in 1569 (Union of Lublin). Koppernigk died in 1543, so he was no Polish but a Royal Prussian national.
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    Copernicus fought as a Polish Kingdom's commander against the German Teutonic Order:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Allenstein



    This is why I compared him to Władysław Anders, who was BTW born in Russia (like Sklodowska).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    Maybe Fryderyk Nietzsche, he identified as Polish:

    https://culture.pl/en/article/was-nietzsche-polish
    His inaccurate and careless statements about his genealogy put the whole individual in a bad light. And he wants to be taken serious in other aspects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    which would make her a Russian national (citizen) at birth.
    Citizenship and nationality are again two different things. There are 3 different things:

    1) Citizenship (national / citizen)

    2) Nationality (= national identity)

    3) Ethnicity

    Władysław Anders for example was a Russian national (citizen), ethnic German, and a Pole by nationality (national identity).

    Also for example many Polish Jews were Poles by national identity (including the majority of educated and secularized Jews).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotraschke View Post
    Citizenship and nationality are again two different things. There are 3 different things:

    1) Citizenship (national / citizen)

    2) Nationality (= national identity)

    3) Ethnicity

    Władysław Anders for example was a Russian national (citizen), ethnic German, and a Pole by nationality (national identity).

    Also for example many Polish Jews were Poles by national identity (including the majority of educated and secularized Jews).
    Then I don't know what is a national Identity. Can you elaborate?

    I'm not aware of something alike that is neither citizenship nor ethnicity. At least not right now.
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