Turkish presidential election heads to runoff

[Hektor12]

Sinan Oğan's voters will be decider for president. He is the only real Turk candidate (Erdo is Georgian and Kılıçdaroğlu is eastern Anatolian) he is Turanid and he is Turkic nationalist.

Spoiler!

[Victor]

It would be ok to get a candidate who will turn against Russia. It will provoke more rapid changes from "old normal" inside Russia, Turkey makes us way too comfortable to exist. Sure as I've mentioned in some other topic im not for some war, just Turkey's drift to West will make us leave "comfort zone" faster.

[Hektor12]

make us leave "comfort zone" faster.

Whats next after leaving the comfort zone?

[InmostLight]

That feel when you finally get democracy and you use it to vote yourself back into a caliphate

[Victor]

Whats next after leaving the comfort zone?

We need more changes, more rapid swap of markets, if the war will last in similar tempo for 3-5 years in total it's a perfect timing for transfer of elites both inside govt and army. Especially if there will be some more possible wars in the rest of the World. I don't like Russia of last 30 years, only USSR is worse (i don't talk about prosperity, but mentality). Thanks to West and Ukraine for their intransigence, they force us to change.

[Victor]

That feel when you finally get democracy and you use it to vote yourself back into a caliphate

Democracy is lame. it's based on tricking the plebeians to vote for you and make themselves feel they're smart and important. I respect the idea of local elections, like city mayor, deputies of city hall etc, who decide some everyday problems of exact group of people living on limited space. There still should be limits for elective rights even then. One may receive such right after full middle school with at least 3 months of labor period before the elections, unemployed and retired people should not have right to vote at all, just like active university students. All these categories are full of idealistic and uthopian bs political ideas, far from pragmaticism and real political and social problems.

[Lemminkäinen]

Democracy is lame. it's based on tricking the plebeians to vote for you and make themselves feel they're smart and important. I respect the idea of local elections, like city mayor, deputies of city hall etc, who decide some everyday problems of exact group of people living on limited space. There still should be limits for elective rights even then. One may receive such right after full middle school with at least 3 months of labor period before the elections, unemployed and retired people should not have right to vote at all, just like active university students. All these categories are full of idealistic and uthopian bs political ideas, far from pragmaticism and real political and social problems.

How would you select government, if not in parliamentary election between parties? My imagination is not enough to find out it.

[Derceto]

I gotta admit, I'm secretly hoping Erdogan wins 'cause I kinda want to see him mess up Turkey even more.

[InmostLight]

Democracy is lame. it's based on tricking the plebeians to vote for you and make themselves feel they're smart and important. I respect the idea of local elections, like city mayor, deputies of city hall etc, who decide some everyday problems of exact group of people living on limited space. There still should be limits for elective rights even then. One may receive such right after full middle school with at least 3 months of labor period before the elections, unemployed and retired people should not have right to vote at all, just like active university students. All these categories are full of idealistic and uthopian bs political ideas, far from pragmaticism and real political and social problems.

My comment was meant to be silly, but I do agree with many of these points. Democratic societies are designed to exploit stupidity, bias, and emotion, and the presence of democracy incentivizes powerful actors to reduce the educational and life-comfort quality of their opponents. Democracy is still one of the better systems, in my opinion, but it comes with significant drawbacks. However, I personally will always prefer democracy to any form of authoritarian rule. Even if the ruler elevated my own position, he would inevitably also crush enough of my loved ones to make me unable to support him. Maybe an ideologically homogenous society could thrive under an autocrat, but this becomes more and more impossible in the information age, and I can't forsee it happening without some natural global crisis occurring to reset large subsets of humanity to a base survival level.

One of my professors recently got into some trouble for presenting two game theoretical proofs about how democracy is inherently flawed, funnily, in the class before a local election. Bless his soul. I forget what one of them was called, but it used a 2x3 matrix of "votes" to show how more than two heterogeneous voters cannot come to a logically transitive conclusion. I think it was just a visual of Condorcet's Paradox, explained in this infographic:



Vandor, if you don't mind sharing, what would your be ideal system preferable to democracy?

[placebo]

We lost, not yet, but Erdoğan will get the 0.5% vote very easily in the 2nd round and he'll win. Türkiye will continue to be dragged into a disaster. I'm so sad we didn't deserve this future.

+ Eastern Anatolians are also Turkish. And Sinan Oğan is already Eastern Anatolian/Azeri. Kemal is probably Kurdish but Eastern Anatolian doesn't mean non-Turkish lol. Northern parts of Eastern Anatolia is Turkish majority, what are u talking about?