Turkish presidential election heads to runoff

[Annihilus]

Told y'all that KK couldn't pull it off

[Lemminkäinen]

My comment was meant to be silly, but I do agree with many of these points. Democratic societies are designed to exploit stupidity, bias, and emotion, and the presence of democracy incentivizes powerful actors to reduce the educational and life-comfort quality of their opponents. Democracy is still one of the better systems, in my opinion, but it comes with significant drawbacks. However, I personally will always prefer democracy to any form of authoritarian rule. Even if the ruler elevated my own position, he would inevitably also crush enough of my loved ones to make me unable to support him. Maybe an ideologically homogenous society could thrive under an autocrat, but this becomes more and more impossible in the information age, and I can't forsee it happening without some natural global crisis occurring to reset large subsets of humanity to a base survival level.

One of my professors recently got into some trouble for presenting two game theoretical proofs about how democracy is inherently flawed, funnily, in the class before a local election. Bless his soul. I forget what one of them was called, but it used a 2x3 matrix of "votes" to show how more than two heterogeneous voters cannot come to a logically transitive conclusion. I think it was just a visual of Condorcet's Paradox, explained in this infographic:



Vandor, if you don't mind sharing, what would your be ideal system preferable to democracy?

But that paradox is not practical, because the paradox assumes faulty result only if the result is compared to a voting using scores. Then using scores is parallel to a situation where we have many (a big amount of) voters and only a few candidates. Many voters can be understood as many opinion clusters. The bigger the ratio of voters and canditates is, the more the situation corresponds to a voting using scores.

[placebo]

Told y'all that KK couldn't pull it off

It's not exactly Kılıçdaroğlu's fault, yeah he has some mistakes like not giving more importance to nationalists. Maybe alliance like CHP+ İYİP + Özdağ & Oğan + nationalist votes from AKP and MHP + Kurds (not all of them for sure cuz of nationalists but still I guess most of them vote KK instead of Tayyip even half of them is not bad) changed everything but winning chances are still low.

And that goes for Ekrem & Mansur or Muharrem as well. Kurds wouldn't vote for Mansur, he would get roughly the same vote as KK. Eko is maybe good choice but he has a political case.

Even if Atatürk is resurrected, Tayyip has a more chance to win lol. At least half of our people ignorant and slaves.

[Annihilus]

It's not exactly Kılıçdaroğlu's fault, yeah he has some mistakes like not giving more importance to nationalists. Maybe alliance like CHP+ İYİP + Özdağ & Oğan + nationalist votes from AKP and MHP + Kurds (not all of them for sure cuz of nationalists but still I guess most of them vote KK instead of Tayyip even half of them is not bad) changed everything but winning chances are still low.

And that goes for Ekrem & Mansur or Muharrem as well. Kurds wouldn't vote for Mansur, he would get roughly the same vote as KK. Eko is maybe good choice but he has a political case.

Even if Atatürk is resurrected, Tayyip has a more chance to win lol. At least half of our people ignorant and slaves.

People in earthquake zone voted for Erdo so yes they are dumb as fuck. Still think İmamoğlu had a shot of winning if given a chance.

In politics charisma is a must. You simply cannot put a bureaucrat who has none against a guy who has plenty.

[Kriptc06]

I wish grandpa Erdogan retired, but by the looks of it he will win the second round

[Incal]

I don't get the purpose of this thread. Erdogan will win. He's an autocrat. He'll only leave power when he's dead.

[placebo]

I gotta admit, I'm secretly hoping Erdogan wins 'cause I kinda want to see him mess up Turkey even more.

Then you are a bad person. You have nothing to do with Turkey but you want people to suffer and misery. I'd understand if you didn't care (because why would you care? i don’t fucking care about other countries) but wishing makes you a bad person.

[InmostLight]

The Sinan Ogan guy looks like he would demolish the Hagia Sophia and replace it with a concrete structure in the shape of a spaceship, he looks like some Asian soviet supervillain. Admittedly I know nothing about him

[Annihilus]

The Sinan Ogan guy looks like he would demolish the Hagia Sophia and replace it with a concrete structure in the shape of a spaceship, he looks like some Asian soviet supervillain. Admittedly I know nothing about him

He is a real amicable person.

[Derceto]

Then you are a bad person. You have nothing to do with Turkey but you want people to suffer and misery. I'd understand if you didn't care (because why would you care? i don’t fucking care about other countries) but wishing makes you a bad person.

If you chaps hadn't come trotting in from Central Asia on your steeds to lend a hand to the Arabs/Muslims against the Byzantines, the entire region would've been jolly well Christian and enjoying a spot of peace by now.

Just take a gander at the state the whole region's in, all thanks to you lot! And to top it off, you have the audacity to label me a bad egg? Give me a break, will ya?