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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascoal View Post
    Do you tend to avoid small talk when you see someone you know outside? Some people even get angry with me when i do it, it is very annoying.
    No I will talk to people but I'm always relieved to be on my own. I do find it draining talking to people and sometimes will avoid people. I don't mind having conversations with people about subjects I find interesting but I find small talk a bit tedious and superficial.

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    Generally nords are very introverted, can’t remember a time where I’ve seen an extroverted one, even then they still seem somewhat introverted at gatherings or parties.

    They aren’t over the top when conversing, but they try to get around with a drink or so. Which can lead to some autistic results very much like the British much less like the Italians be it that most of their pleasure comes from indulgence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Is it possible that Nordic people are more extroverted socially than they are emotionally? (...)
    Exactly.

    Also, a Swede in Brazil will already deviate from the Swedish mean in the direction of extraversion. Introverted Swedes will statistically less likely do such a trip.

    And, of course, an introvert Brasilian individual can be more introvert than an average Swede. That's banal and not even worth making a topic of.
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    Stereotypes - I dont think I have ever met an introvert Brit nor Swede in Greece
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascoal View Post
    Do you tend to avoid small talk when you see someone you know outside? Some people even get angry with me when i do it, it is very annoying.
    Wtf? Here in Russia me and other people I meet are very comfortable with small talks. I live in another city just for 2 months and I know like 20 people around through small talks who started it themselves in half of cases.

    Most of people here when traveling 8+ hours by train communicate actively with neighbors by train, even the 2 hour short train ride considers that people next to each will probably have a talk about something.

    Are you Armenian? Here in Russia their "extrovert" level is annoying, they're very loud and pretend to be your brother in 10 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascoal View Post
    I have met some scandinavians and they are very extroverted, much more extroverted than portuguese for example, i can't stand that dumb pseudoscience.

    Well i am introverted as fuck(unless with close friends), i live in a very hot place(and i like it very much though), the average scandinavian is surely most extroverted than i am i don't think that is an exception, there are countries that aren't necessarily cold with a lot of introverted people, but the younger generations seems to become more introverted though, all over the world.
    I blame Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    No I will talk to people but I'm always relieved to be on my own. I do find it draining talking to people and sometimes will avoid people. I don't mind having conversations with people about subjects I find interesting but I find small talk a bit tedious and superficial.
    Ha ha, are we related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascoal View Post
    I agree that the culture have some influence on it, i guess the introverted label can also change in different countries, there are some introverted people in South America that could be considered “extroverted” in Japan to some extent.
    Indeed. An Italian introvert could be a TV show host in Finland lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascoal View Post
    I have met some scandinavians and they are very extroverted, much more extroverted than portuguese for example, i can't stand that dumb pseudoscience.

    Well i am introverted as fuck(unless with close friends), i live in a very hot place(and i like it very much though), the average scandinavian is surely most extroverted than i am i don't think that is an exception, there are countries that aren't necessarily cold with a lot of introverted people, but the younger generations seems to become more introverted though, all over the world.
    it's probably something related with the scam of the uchronic and utopical law of Jante implanted by brainwashing into some weak-minded people by psycho-rigid intolerent narcissist transhumanist fascist hipsters

    Law of Jante - Wikipedia

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    Code of conduct assumed to describe Nordic countries
    Plaque commemorating Aksel Sandemose and citing his Law at his birthplace in Nykřbing MorsThe Law of Jante (YAN-tuh, Danish: Janteloven [ˈjćntəˌlɔwˀən, -lɒwˀ-])[note 1] is a code of conduct[1] originating in fiction and now used colloquially to denote a social attitude of disapproval towards expressions of individuality and personal success.[2] Created by the Danish-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose, it has also come to represent the egalitarian nature of Nordic countries.[3]
    The "Law" was first formulated as ten rules in Sandemose's satirical novel A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks (En flyktning krysser sitt spor, 1933), but the attitudes themselves are older.[4] Sandemose portrays the fictional small Danish town of Jante, modelled upon his native town Nykřbing Mors in the 1930s where nobody was anonymous, a feature of life typical of small towns.[5]
    Definition[edit]

    There are ten rules in the law as defined by Sandemose, all expressive of variations on a single theme and usually referred to as a homogeneous unit: You are not to think you're anyone special, or that you're better than us.
    The ten rules state:

    1. You're not to think you are anything special.
    2. You're not to think you are as good as we are.
    3. You're not to think you are smarter than we are.
    4. You're not to imagine yourself better than we are.
    5. You're not to think you know more than we do.
    6. You're not to think you are more important than we are.
    7. You're not to think you are good at anything.
    8. You're not to laugh at us.
    9. You're not to think anyone cares about you.
    10. You're not to think you can teach us anything.

    The Janters who transgress this unwritten "law" are regarded with suspicion and some hostility, as it goes against the town's communal desire to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity.
    An eleventh rule recognized in the novel as "the penal code of Jante" is:

    1. Perhaps you don't think we know a few things about you?

    From the chapter "Maybe you don't think I know something about you":
    That one sentence (the eleventh rule), which acts as the penal code of Jante, as such was rich in content. It was a charge of all sorts of things, and that it also had to be, because absolutely nothing was allowed. It was also an elaborate indictment, with all kinds of unspecified penalties given to be expected. Furthermore it was useful, depending fully on tone of voice, in financial extortion and enticement into criminal acts, and it could also be the best means of defense.
    Sandemose's novel described working-class life in the fictional town of Jante. He wrote in 1955, a bit mischievously, that "Many people have recognized [in Jante] their own hometown – this has happened regularly to people from Arendal [Norway], Tromsř [Norway] and Viborg [Denmark]".[6] Sandemose made no claim to having invented the rules; he simply sought to formulate social norms that had stamped the Danish and Norwegian psyches for centuries.
    Sociological effects[edit]

    Although intended as criticism of society in general, some critics in the 1990s argued that the Law of Jante had shifted to refer to personal criticism of people who want to break out of their social groups and reach a higher position.[7]
    It is common in Scandinavia to claim the Law of Jante as something quintessentially Danish, Norwegian or Swedish.[citation needed] The rules are treated as a way of behaving in order to fit in and results in dressing similarly and the types of cars that people buy and buying similar products for their homes.[8] It is commonly stated that Jante Law is for people in the provinces, but commentators have suggested that metropolitan areas are also affected.[8]
    While the original intention was as satire, Kim Orlin Kantardjiev, a Norwegian politician[9] and educational advisor, claims that the Law of Jante is taught in schools as more of a social code to encourage group behavior, and attempts to credit it with fueling Nordic countries' high happiness scores.[8] It has also been suggested that contentedness with a humdrum lifestyle is a part of happiness in the Scandinavian countries.[10]
    However, in Scandinavia, there have also been journalistic articles which link the Law of Jante to high suicide rates.[11] Backlash has occurred against the rules, and in Norway someone even placed a grave for Jante Laws, declaring them dead in 2005. However, others have questioned whether they will ever go away, as they may be firmly entrenched in society.[8]
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    Default The introversion of Scandinavians are very overrated

    Good social skills and the ability to express emotions do not automatically make a person an extrovert.
    I am an introvert. I have no problem communicating my feelings and enjoy being around people both within and outside of my close social circle. I even like to attend large gatherings sometimes. What makes this different for an introverted person is that it drains a ton of energy. I need weeks, sometimes months to recover. I avoid calling or messaging people I know sometimes just because I feel like I have no internal resources to communicate.
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