Are (US) Americans the most immature men in the world?

[Anglo-Celtic]

Because it seems they have become the norm. Or maybe I should change the thread title to Why are there so many people with special needs in the US?

They're probably over-diagnosed and over-drugged to make mint for the pharmaceutical industry. Normal childhood activities are made into pathologies.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Living with one's parents doesn't mean the person isn't independent.

The marriage chart shows Italy, a country with elevated youth unemployment, has a high median marriage age and is followed by Northern European countries, which have low youth unemployment rates, thus the data you showed in an attempt to make a point don't reveal a correlation and are self-refuting unless you're trying to prove that countries like Afghanistan and Malawi have more mature populations, but you certainly did your research and know that countries such as Mauritania (not shown in your chart) and Colombia have high youth unemployment despite having low median marriage ages, don't you?

This would have been a better argument: young people in less vibrant economies will have difficulties finding stable employment and without stable employment the opportunity to live on your own doesn't exist and obviously the longer it takes to find stable employment the latter you'll marry.

There is posting statistics and then there is understanding what those statistics actually mean when you have other information.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

This would have been a better argument: young people in less vibrant economies will have difficulties finding stable employment and without stable employment the opportunity to live on your own and eventually get married is nil.

There is posting statistics and then there is understanding what those statistics actually mean.

That being said, some cultures do baby their young adults. The US isn't one of them.

[Insuperable]

This would have been a better argument: young people in less vibrant economies will have difficulties finding stable employment and without stable employment the opportunity to live on your own and eventually get married is nil.

There is posting statistics and then there is understanding what those statistics actually mean.

That's correct.

Do you think it's better if a married couple would live in a big house (or preferably an own house) nearby with idk husband's parents so their children grow with their grandparents and help raising them while parents work in parallel with kindergarten? In modern world such thing is probably in the vast majority of cases impossible since people move and find jobs far from home.

[Etelfrido]

The thread isn't about a person but populations. Young adults who live apart from their parents will be more independent on average, by necessity.


Stats of independent living, marriage and employment are all separately valid measures of maturity in a population of young adults, hence posting them. They don't need to have a perfect correlation, and I didn't say they did - there are different measures of maturity. If I posted a chart comparing video game consumption among adults, America might be top, but that wouldn't refute the fact that fewer young Americans are unemployed and living with/off their mummy and daddy than other nationalities. You haven't specified what you think my point was.

Up to a point but there are also cultural factors to be considered. I didn't specify wha I think your point was because as I demonstrated there was no considerable correlation between the charts, so whatever you were trying to argue for could be challenged.

There's no reason why Afghan or Malawi men couldn't be more mature than modern Westerners on average, they would surely be less coddled. Sorry if posting stats relevant to the topic offends you, I forgot the standard of proof on this forum was random anecdotes and biased opinions.

I didn't say otherwise but again, those countries also have high youth unemployment. Just posting different measurements and not trying to understand how one validates or not the other isn't a good argumentation in my book. I don't know which anecdotes you're referring to, as I didnt mention any.

[Etelfrido]

This would have been a better argument: young people in less vibrant economies will have difficulties finding stable employment and without stable employment the opportunity to live on your own doesn't exist and obviously the longer it takes to find stable employment the latter you'll marry.

There is posting statistics and then there is understanding what those statistics actually mean when you have other information.

That coud be the case but there would be a lot of exceptions so I don't know how valid that'd be.

[Incal]

'It seems they have become the norm' to whom? You have shown a bias in the past against people in the Anglosphere. You used a silly example early in the thread: a guy named Nathanial doesn't want to be called Nate. That was your first example of being immature. A person's preference and setting boundaries with others is considered immature by you.

It seems as if immaturity to you is whatever you don't like instead of a standard. Perhaps you should define it. For me, and I'd say for most people, maturity is being responsible for yourself. Needless to say, having a preference for what people call you and making that known is irrelevant to being responsible in one's life.

In whole Latin America, that's considered childish and immature behavior (except maybe in Argentina). But as I mentioned some posts above, the meaning of immaturity seems to be strongly linked to culture too, as well as outgoing is not the same in Italy than it does in Germany.

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Incal]

@Incal: here is an interview with Abigail Shrier. https://www.spiked-online.com/podcas...g-up-our-kids/

Thanks!

[Tooting Carmen]

Thanks!

She speaks out astutely and eloquently against the rise of therapy bollocks and the attempt to medicalise every last aspect of childhood.