Ladislaus I of Hungary on G25

[axlredneck]

SZTL, Ladislaus I

Y-DNA: R-SUR51>ARP11
mtDNA: H1u2
Dynasty: Árpád
Period: Kingdom of Hungary
Age: 1040 - 1095 CE

Ladislaus I was King of Hungary from 1077 and King of Croatia from 1091. He was the second son of King Béla I of Hungary and Richeza (or Adelaide) of Poland.

[axlredneck]

SZTL_scaled,0.117238,0.091398,0.052797,0.046189,0.01908,0.013945,0.007285,0.006461,-0.004909,-0.011663,-0.000812,-0.001798,-0.001933,0.004404,0.00475,0.004773,0.007562,-0.003294,0.004274,0.005753,-0.002371,0.002597,0.000863,-0.005904,-0.002036

[axlredneck]

SZTL_scaled,0.117238,0.091398,0.052797,0.046189,0.01908,0.013945,0.007285,0.006461,-0.004909,-0.011663,-0.000812,-0.001798,-0.001933,0.004404,0.00475,0.004773,0.007562,-0.003294,0.004274,0.005753,-0.002371,0.002597,0.000863,-0.005904,-0.002036
Pannonian,0.1292045,0.1343144,0.0539422,0.0441691,0.0349974,0.0177205,0.0079892,0.0094004,-0.0031598,-0.0108747,-0.002031,-0.0016384,0.0005914,0.0084073,-0.0006796,0.0012699,0.0070871,-0.0021342,0.0015055,0.0027794,0.0028651,-0.0018091,0.003775,-0.0066788,0.0011044
Magyar,0.0857739,-0.1156978,0.0614975,0.0476886,-0.0436564,0.0023308,-1.68e-05,0.0017966,-0.0115701,-0.0231569,-0.0103812,-0.0020339,0.0017628,-0.0228651,0.0151036,0.0060612,-0.0051316,-0.0009772,-0.0011851,0.0055919,-0.0200629,0.0044691,-0.0008627,0.0018419,-0.0020101
Noise,-2.205875059,-0.32286082,-1.153303034,0.758481125,-1.316783424,-0.57729474,0.328393195,-0.821580379,-0.17129462,0.626680085,1.308885779,-0.04821644,-1.360006219,0.63363886,1.388331639,1.350350734,1.270907864,-0.679222205,1.611765889,1.253329424,-0.68923288,1.673872074,-1.062658219,-0.335017605,-1.307477584

[axlredneck]

Autosomal ancestry confirms Y-DNA.

[Demirkazık]

Is it possible for Magyars to be Turkic, they somewhat seem like a separate Turkic branch (Oghur) with a language shift.

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.5978% / 0.02597813
40.6 Anatolian
28.2 Magyar
25.4 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
5.8 Georgian

[Peterski]

He was 1/4 Polish after his grandfather Mieszko II.

He is also on GEDmatch, kit number - KJ9269628

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Eurogenes K15 Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Nogay + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 4.576687

[axlredneck]

Is it possible for Magyars to be Turkic, they somewhat seem like a separate Turkic branch (Oghur) with a language shift.

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.5978% / 0.02597813
40.6 Anatolian
28.2 Magyar
25.4 Iran_Hasanlu_IA
5.8 Georgian

Attaboy! You got it right! They're Bulgars with significant Ugric and minor Caucasus ancestries; they're the siblings of Volga Bulgars who were Bulgars with significant Volga Finn ancestry.

[axlredneck]

He is also on GEDmatch, kit number - KJ9269628

Dodecad K12b result:

Gedrosia 8.38 Pct
Siberian 5.35 Pct
Northwest_African 0.17 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.19 Pct
North_European 44.16 Pct
South_Asian 1.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.45 Pct
East_Asian 1.02 Pct
Caucasus 13.83 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.73 Pct

[Gallop]

I get a result. In my father's chromosome 16 and 21 as I have looked in chromosynthesis of YoudnaPortal it has to do with the Urals and chr 16 with farmers as farmers from the Alps and farmers from Greece have appeared in YdnaP.

Spoiler!

Mine

Father (FTDNA)

Fater (23andMe)

[oszkar07]

Attaboy! You got it right! They're Bulgars with significant Ugric and minor Caucasus ancestries; they're the siblings of Volga Bulgars who were Bulgars with significant Volga Finn ancestry.

I would not be suprised if Hungarian speakers came into Pannonia in the 600 hundreds with the Bulgars and broke off from the Bulgar horde and settled in Hungary. When Arpad came in 9th century there was probably recognition of the Hungarian speakers as a kin people, even if Arpad's folk may have been perhaps more Turkic influenced at that time.
In any case I believe Hungarian was spoken in Pannonia for more than only 100 years prior to Hungary becoming a Christian Kingdom in 1000 AD.