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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    Transcarpathia region which became Ukraine in 1945 is their homeland for centuries, why should they leave anywhere?
    Quote Originally Posted by ugochaves View Post
    They have been living there since the 9th century. Part of Transcarpathia is originally Hungarian lands.
    I'd move ASAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I dont know Vucic, but i have some question.
    Orbán have never talked about any russian orientation, you cannot quote it. Orbán said only these:

    1. Peace is the only solution
    2. Peaceful trade between EU and Russia with mutual respect
    What kind of peace? The one where an emboldened Russia takes a third of Ukraine and makes the rest a protectorate?
    This economic crisis is not Orbán's fault. Orbán has nothing to do with Covid crisis, he did not support the sanctions either that cause economic crisis everywhere in Europe not just in Hungary. The government has a responsibility for rate of inflation because as Matolcsy said we had bad monetary policy, but basically not Orbán is the reason of this decay, blame the dumb EU bureaucrats who represent rather ukranians instead of their of EU citizens.
    Orban is not responsible for his own government's inflation policy? It's the fault of EU bureaucrats if Hungary, which doesn't use the euro, has the highest inflation of all EU member states?

    Let's talk a little bit about this beautiful Ukraine. In the past the hungarian governent said for ukrainians very clearly: Hungary will support their EU membership, NATO membership and every western orientation policy what they do. We want only one thing in exchange: dont discriminate the hungarian minority. This one thing was the only condition. It seems the opression of minorities was more important for Ukraine than the joining to western world. It says all about their idiot government.
    What does this oppression consist in? I've read they made reforms in the language in schools. Basically hungarians will have to learn Ukrainian and use it more in high school, am I correct?

    Putin is fighting mostly with prisoners, patriotic volunteers, various mercenaries or chechens, the russian army is not really in the frontline only just some division.
    You're for real? I've read in a doc that 527 of 544 of available Russian battalions have been committed to the war against Ukraine; 474 of them are in the country.

    Ukrainians sold 30% of these in the black market
    Where did you get that number?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    What kind of peace? The one where an emboldened Russia takes a third of Ukraine and makes the rest a protectorate?
    What about the ukrainian pogroms against russian civilians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Orban is not responsible for his own government's inflation policy? It's the fault of EU bureaucrats if Hungary, which doesn't use the euro, has the highest inflation of all EU member states?
    I did not say that Orbán has no any responsibility, i said this economy crisis is not Orbán's fault. Or do you think the german or french inflation is also Orbáns fault? This is result of war and sanctions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    What does this oppression consist in? I've read they made reforms in the language in schools. Basically hungarians will have to learn Ukrainian and use it more in high school, am I correct?
    No, it means hungarian students cant use their language in the schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Where did you get that number?
    György Nógrádi the most qualified foreign policy expert of Hungary said that. Its enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    What about the ukrainian pogroms against russian civilians?
    If there had been we would have heard about them ad nauseam.

    I did not say that Orbán has no any responsibility, i said this economy crisis is not Orbán's fault. Or do you think the german or french inflation is also Orbáns fault? This is result of war and sanctions.
    German and French inflation is much lower (3 to 4 times lower) than Hungary's. It's the central bank doing a bad job. The director of the CB is nominated by the President on proposal of the prime minister.

    No, it means hungarian students cant use their language in the schools.
    As I remember, I've read they would start first years with hungarian, and by high school education would be in ukrainian with some hours of hungarian.


    György Nógrádi the most qualified foreign policy expert of Hungary said that. Its enough for me.
    Ok. That means we will soon see those weapons used abroad by terrorist groups or other non-NATO countries. If we won't, then it will mean they disappeared
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    If there had been we would have heard about them ad nauseam.
    I have heard about it, you havent, because you follow only the western mainstream media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    German and French inflation is much lower (3 to 4 times lower) than Hungary's. It's the central bank doing a bad job. The director of the CB is nominated by the President on proposal of the prime minister.
    The hungarian economic crisis has started exactly at that time when the sanctions have started. I know because i live here, unlike you. This is the main factor, so not Orbán is the main reason of this crisis. Btw Hungary is a little country between greatpowers, our economy is connecting to others including Moscow, Brussels as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    As I remember, I've read they would start first years with hungarian, and by high school education would be in ukrainian with some hours of hungarian.
    Do you think its good thing that you cant study in your own language? Ukrainians want a homogeneous ethno-state without minorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Ok. That means we will soon see those weapons used abroad by terrorist groups or other non-NATO countries. If we won't, then it will mean they disappeared
    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/12/0...ing-to-africa/

    https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzani...africa-4132208

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I have heard about it, you havent, because you follow only the western mainstream media.
    Can you link me the articles which list Ukrainian pogroms or that describe some of them?
    In the Yugoslav wars in the 90s there were plenty of massacres. An army would conquer some villages and kill random people of the enemy's ethnicity. People would justify that or minimize it with tedious justifications such as "and what did they do to us? what happened before?"
    There was a lot of hate and state propaganda.
    No such a thing happened in Ukraine because there is less political partecipation from the people and because in eastern ukraine people aren't divided by ethnicity or religion but by political affiliation. Nobody knows if the people inhabiting a town you just conquered is pro-Moscow or pro-Kiev if they comply and stay silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    Can you link me the articles which list Ukrainian pogroms or that describe some of them?
    In the Yugoslav wars in the 90s there were plenty of massacres. An army would conquer some villages and kill random people of the enemy's ethnicity. People would justify that or minimize it with tedious justifications such as "and what did they do to us? what happened before?"
    There was a lot of hate and state propaganda.
    No such a thing happened in Ukraine because there is less political partecipation from the people and because in eastern ukraine people aren't divided by ethnicity or religion but by political affiliation. Nobody knows if the people inhabiting a town you just conquered is pro-Moscow or pro-Kiev if they comply and stay silent.
    I have seen that in several video when they asked donbass civilians + i hav heard about it from many foreign policy expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    I have seen that in several video when they asked donbass civilians + i hav heard about it from many foreign policy expert.
    So it didn't happen. Because if it did it would have been an incredibly powerful tool by Russia to show the world that Kiev government is irresponsible and criminal and it would expose it by documenting it and showing it to the world. The thing is they can't. When russian and pro-russian thugs started a fight in Odessa and lost against pro-Kiev thugs, getting burned in a fire russian propaganda went nuts and flooded the internet with lies about how innocent women and children were purposefully burnt alive by Kiev nazis.
    Now imagine what would Moscow do if Azov forces shot dead 50-100 russian speakers in Donbass. We would have heard about it every day in russian television.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausevar View Post
    So it didn't happen. Because if it did it would have been an incredibly powerful tool by Russia to show the world that Kiev government is irresponsible and criminal and it would expose it by documenting it and showing it to the world. The thing is they can't. When russian and pro-russian thugs started a fight in Odessa and lost against pro-Kiev thugs, getting burned in a fire russian propaganda went nuts and flooded the internet with lies about how innocent women and children were purposefully burnt alive by Kiev nazis.
    Now imagine what would Moscow do if Azov forces shot dead 50-100 russian speakers in Donbass. We would have heard about it every day in russian television.
    Ukrainians commited pogroms even against hungarians too, its a well documented fact. They lynched hungarians in Ungvár (Uzhorod):
    https://karpataljalap.net/2013/03/22...-nacionalistak
    They detonated bombs in the hungarian kultur house to kill hungarians:
    https://pestisracok.hu/idozitett-bom...okat-fotokkal/
    Molotov cocktail attack on hungarians:
    https://pestisracok.hu/magyarellenes...l-karpataljan/

    If these things happened with hungarian minority, what do you think what happened with their russian arch enemy??
    The hungarian government said these things in Brussels and they did not care about it, because their purposes are to get Ukraine for West and now ukrainians can do anything, the West will suppot them doesnt matter what are they doing.

    It seems you have no idea about this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Ukrainians commited pogroms even against hungarians too, its a well documented fact. They lynched hungarians in Ungvár (Uzhorod):
    https://karpataljalap.net/2013/03/22...-nacionalistak
    Do you know what is a lynching and did you read the article?? I read the italian translation and says a group of men attacked hungarians, took some cockades away from them and pushed them. 10 years ago .

    They detonated bombs in the hungarian kultur house to kill hungarians:
    https://pestisracok.hu/idozitett-bom...okat-fotokkal/
    Molotov cocktail attack on hungarians:
    https://pestisracok.hu/magyarellenes...l-karpataljan/

    If these things happened with hungarian minority, what do you think what happened with their russian arch enemy??
    The hungarian government said these things in Brussels and they did not care about it, because their purposes are to get Ukraine for West and now ukrainians can do anything, the West will suppot them doesnt matter what are they doing.

    It seems you have no idea about this world.
    LOL, i just googled it in a second: https://www.rferl.org/a/polish-court.../30505582.html
    A court in Krakow has found three Polish men with right-wing, pro-Russian leanings guilty of committing terrorist acts for their roles in firebombing a Hungarian cultural center in western Ukraine last year.

    They were convicted on March 23 of torching a Hungarian-funded cultural center in Ukraine’s westernmost Zakarpattya region where more than 100,000 ethnic Hungarians reside.
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