New borders of Europe

[Melkiirs]

Jews have been mixing with Europeans for millenia, remove them and the gap's clearer.

True, but I still don’t think it is appropriate to exclude them. In Western Jews at least some of the European admixture may date back to classical antiquity when Jewish followers spread across the Hellenistic world in the Eastern Mediterranean. For Romaniotes this admixture is enough to distinguish them from the Oriental Jewish cluster including Iraqi/Persian/Georgian Jews. Thus the intermediate position of Western Jewry is related to historical East Med regional migrations. Romani migrations originate from a location very distant from the Balkans where most of their European admixture is from and that admixture was significantly more recent than with Western Jews. It makes more sense to exclude Romani from a West Eurasian PCA.

[Etelfrido]

True, but I still don’t think it is appropriate to exclude them. In Western Jews at least some of the European admixture may date back to classical antiquity when Jewish groups spread across the Hellenistic world in the Eastern Mediterranean. For Romaniotes this admixture is enough to distinguish them from the Oriental Jewish cluster including Iraqi/Persian/Georgian Jews. Thus the intermediate position of Western Jewry is related to historical East Med regional migrations. Romani migrations originate from a location very distant from the Balkans where most of their European admixture is from and that admixture was significantly more recent than with Western Jews. It makes more sense to exclude Romani from a West Eurasian PCA.

It's true some of their admixture goes back to classical antiquity but they're a singular case due to their/your diaspora. Before 1948 Jews weren't in the Levant (not to the extent they are today) for a long time and so the peoples there didn't form a cluster with Europeans as smoothly as they do today (actually it's not that smoothly even now because of Israel's neighbors). Though one could argue Levantines have intermarried with Arabs, one could also speculate they did so with Europeans too with Romans, the Crusaders and European colonizers.

Most major genome-wide population-genetic studies of Ashkenazi Jews have detected evidence that the population has elements of ancestry both from Europe and from the Middle East (Atzmon et al. 2010; Behar et al. 2010; Campbell et al. 2012; Kopelman et al. 2009). Ashkenazi Jews have been placed intermediately between non-Jewish Europeans and non-Jewish Middle Easterners in a variety of analyses, including multidimensional scaling and principal components analyses (PCA), Bayesian clustering, and population trees.

No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi...biol_preprints

[Lobster]

It's true some of their admixture goes back to classical antiquity but they're a singular case due to their/your diaspora. Before 1948 Jews weren't in the Levant (not to the extent they are today) for a long time and so the peoples there didn't form a cluster with Europeans as smoothly as they do today (actually it's not that smoothly even now because of Israel's neighbors). Though one could argue Levantines have intermarried with Arabs, one could also speculate they did so with Europeans too with Romans, the Crusaders and European colonizers.





No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi...biol_preprints

"Khazar ancestry" of Ashkenazim is anti-Semitic propaganda.

[meliton]

We are one!!!

We are not.

[Etelfrido]

"Khazar ancestry" of Ashkenazim is anti-Semitic propaganda.

Contain your emotions and read again. That's the name of the scientific paper I mentioned and it precisely denies it.

[Lobster]

Contain your emotions and read again. That's the name of the scientific paper I mentioned and it precisely denies it.

I agree with you. Also my Jewish family lived in Syria before.

[Lobster]

We are not.

You are weird for your ethnicity. Most of Balkan dudes I met liked me.

[coolfrenchguy]

please we don't want eurabia at all ,the EU borders are allready a mess ,please don't weight it more than it's allready is ,because the boat is allready half sinking

[B01AB20]

Russians are not considered by some Southern Europeans to be Europeans, while they really want to be like Russians. This is called self-doubt and self-doubt about your origin. I don't care if I'm European or not. They are very attached to this definition - "European" and especially to the English word "white". They are offended when I say that I am a non-European race. It's very funny. That's why they're all trolled.

What you say can be true if applied to this forum, but this is not real, it's only a forum full of weirdos. And a simple weirdo here is much more outstanding than in real world.

Keep that in mind.

[Avgvstvs]

I agree on the concept Europe being kind of arbitrary, but its southeastern borders have been established from afar. As some other user said even the Romans labeled Anatolia as "Asia" just because europeans(greeks) lived there and had a huge cultural impact on that area it doesn't mean it is properly part of Europe. It's true though that in ancient times/middle age multicontinental empires were the norm but still....

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