Why is German culture one revolving around guilt and shame?

[Annihilus]

Based on the Treaty of Lausanne, both countries had to establish authoritative bodies for the regulation of reparations towards the people who were expulsed from their native territory.

Within the same comment of mine, the 1930 Ankara Treaty is mentioned, which was signed in 30/4/1930, and which was for exactly that purpose: handling the issue of reparations for the displaced peoples. In 1964, the Turkish government declared that the Treaty of 1930 is invalid, and therefore the displaced Asia Minor Greeks shall have no further claims from reparations or even visiting their lost property. That's why you see ghost towns like Kayakoy in western Anatolia, but not in Greece.

I still have a hard time following you. Are you saying Turks got reparations and Greeks got none? And ofc you don't have ghost towns, for every Turk booted you got 3 Greeks back.

[Your Old Comrade]

Yes and I'd like to refine my emphasis a little bit: I'd say that even more than in the ideals topic there might be a difference in the topic of dogmatism. It's related but may be even more the crucial thing. What's your opinion on that?

That you could be right, although the difference may be more in whom, traditionally, sets, controls and applies dogma. In Germany, it was the State, here the so-called zuilen - the "pillars" (society being socially vertically divided by groups, revolving around membership of a religious or political organisation. Each with its own educational, cultural and media facilities.

[Mejgusu]

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Again, I think Greeks couldn't make a difference. Turkish-Armenian conflict is very complicated, too complex. Armenians have a good hand against Turkiye.

Ok, because the thread got derailed a lot...

If there are any who have an experience with Germans, do you think that they do have intense feelings of guilt for their past, and do they hold any feelings of even surface-level patriotism?

They have, but not that exaggerated like many think. Considering your own people committed one of the most disgusting crimes of the history, although being intellectual centre of Europe, isn't easy to forget and all of this happened not even 100 years ago. But it isn't that exaggerated like you believe.

I can't describe what Germans are, they aren't neither very patriotic nor anti patriotic. National sentiment of Germans is quite different to many countries, even different to their neighbor France. Very close to Scandinavians or Anglo Saxon countries like Canada or New Zealand, first one have monarchies which make people a little bit more patriotic. Also it is different by every social group, in some Eastern communities you find right wing nationalism, in some urban communities anti patriotic attitudes.

[Incal]

Ok, because the thread got derailed a lot...

If there are any who have an experience with Germans, do you think that they do have intense feelings of guilt for their past, and do they hold any feelings of even surface-level patriotism?

It starts from school. Last time I was in Germany I shared some beers with a polish-german dude who told me that the history teacher basically enters the classroom and shouts: IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!

So what do you expect?