Which national group has the worst record on miscegenation?

[2Cool]

I wouldn't even call what Portugal did a mistake. That's ridiculous. They did what they had to do since they had a small population. Go look at the Portuguese Empire. Now consider that all of this was done with a country with around 1 million people. They couldn't afford to send entire families to the colonies so only men went and they mixed with the locals. They mixed to subjugate the locals and to grow the population. It was the only way.

[hipaware]

I doubt this. I really doubt blacks have that much admixture.



This is indeed impossible and i can't see it when i talk to them. I live Alabama for fuck sake and blacks down here are black as coal.



I disagree admixture is admixture no matter when or how it happened.



Yes well you can do that,but i seriously doubt the figures and i refuse to think of them as multiracial.

If the US used the Brazilian concept of race. The US Black population would be alot lower, as in Latin America, you could be 10% mixed and still identify as Mullato.

Latin America has alot bigger Black populations than what they say on the census. Brazil is alot more than 6% Black, and the Dominican Republic is alot more than 11% Black. In fact a typical "Mullato" from Latin America would easily be mistaken for a Light Skinned American Black.

[Alex Delarge]

It's meaningless to compare it to the situation of what the British did in North America because they did not have state-sponsored racial mixing, that's why.




No sir. It's not fucking retarted, because I pointed the last names out because YOU were trying to act like the Portugese had no connection whatosever with the enourmous amount of race mixing that went on in Brazil, a freaking PORTUGESE colony, which is ridiculous to say the least.

Ever wondered why african americans don't look like proper africans?

I'll tell you what's really fucking retarted, insecure Meds/Southern Europeans so desperate to impress Nordicists that they will sit here and tell crazy lies/deny history to say to them, "See we're White just like England, Germany, Norway, etc!" That makes ALL us Meds/Southern Europeans look like pathetic losers very insecure in their European identity/Whiteness.

Fuck off. You don't know me and don't drag me to your level... i don't give a fuck about whites in England or "meds" like you.

When people think of Portugese colonies, they think race-mixing/Mulatos, especially if they think of Brazil, you know Portugal's LARGEST EVER colony. There is a reason for this. Stop running and hiding from it.

Let's look at portuguese colonies... Brazil, Azores, Madeira, Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique, Goa, Macau,Timor.... all filled with race/mixing mulatos right?

Many of them must have Portugese blood since Brazil is the largest Mulato state on Earth, since the Portugese who founded/settled Brazil in the first place had in place during the colonial times state-sponsored race mixing, since so many Brazilian Mulatos have Portugese surnames, and since Brazil has the fame of being a Mulato nation.

Again? I already told all blacks and indians were given portuguese surnames. If a black mixed with an indian would that make them portuguese? Blacks and indians outnumbered greatly portuguese settlers.

No I'm not. You're just saying that because you're butthurt that nobody is buying your pathetic little attempt to say that Portugal was just like England during it's colonial era when it comes to race mixing.

Where the fuck did i say we were like England? I couldn't care less about England. It's you who keep bringing them up.

It DOES concern me because I'm a North American of French descent, and it concerns me too because I'm sick and tired of Meds/Southern Europeans like you who are so desperate to be accepted by and considered the same as North Europeans that you behave in ways that brings shame on ALL us Meds/Southern Europeans!

I think you got me all wrong if you think i'm trying to impress anyone. All i'm doing is wondering why some "pseudo-french north american" is here worried about whiteness of meds and northern europeans, while at the same time claiming 95% of brazilians have portuguese blood.

I have no intentions of being accepted by anyone, whatever that means. Whiteness is an american concern as you are demonstrating here, and all i've done was questioning the level of race-mixing involving portuguese in Brazil. I'll leave "whiteness" to the likes of you.

Now, go shove England's whiteness wherever you like, because i really don't care about any of that.

I feel close kinship with Portugese, Spanish, Italian, and Greek. ALL Europe made mistakes during the colonial era, and just because we admit those mistakes does not make us weak, it means we are so strong in our identity that we can admit mistakes without emotional collapse or envying other parts of Europe. Northern Europeans have made mistakes too, but they are still proud of who they are, and we should do the same. Think about it Med/South European brother, just think about it.

I don't feel any kinship with a "north american of french descent".

[Racial Observer 1814]

Okay Alex, if that's how you want to take it. I extended a hand, and this is how you respond. Well insulting me and will not stop the facts, facts that Brazil is the largest Mulato state on Earth, most people know Brazil as a Mulato/mixed-race state, and the fact that during the colonial era of Brazil, there was state-sponsored race mixing by Portugal. Who you feel kniship with is your business, and who I feel it with is mine. You talk big about not caring about England, but it is funny how you keep trying to say that your nation was just like theirs in the colonial era when it comes to race mixing. Why would someone who "Doesn't care" about England do that? Hmmm. Meanwhile, I admit my ancestral nation's past and still am proud of it and make no apologies nor excuses. I am a proud Med of French ancestry. Too bad you are not proud of your ancestry like I am mine. Your loss. Also, I am not so concerned with Whiteness for your information. I consider myself of European descent. "Whiteness" is an Anglo-American concept that I care little about/for.

[Alex Delarge]

Okay Alex, if that's how you want to take it. I extended a hand, and this is how you respond. Well insulting me and will not stop the facts, facts that Brazil is the largest Mulato state on Earth, most people know Brazil as a Mulato/mixed-race state, and the fact that during the colonial era of Brazil, there was state-sponsored race mixing by Portugal. Who you feel kniship with is your business, and who I feel it with is mine. You talk big about not caring about England, but it is funny how you keep trying to say that your nation was just like theirs in the colonial era when it comes to race mixing. Why would someone who "Doesn't care" about England do that? Hmmm. Meanwhile, I admit my ancestral nation's past and still am proud of it and make no apologies nor excuses. I am a proud Med of French ancestry. Too bad you are not proud of your ancestry like I am mine. Your loss.

Quote me where i mentioned England. If you do that, i'll give you a lolipop.

You seem to be slow, so i'll mention again everything i'm claiming :

- I claim that portuguese settlers were not numerous in the begining, and blacks and indians outnumbered them greatly. Blacks and indians having portuguese surnames doesn't mean anything and isn't any evidence of mixing.

- A second wave of portuguese migrations came to Brazil in the 19th century.

And that's it, this is how much portuguese Brazil is.


Now, if you interpret this as wanting to "be like England", feeling insecure, or whatever it is that you wrote, then you're a retard. Pure and simple.

[Zephyr]

Racial Fetishist 1814, you may become a tad more informed by reading this reply someone wrote down a bunch of pages ago:

Practically every black person or pardo in Brazil has Portuguese blood. Plus there are a lot more than 10 million people of Portuguese descent in Brazil. A lot simply consider themselves Brazilians now since the Portuguese would assimilate easily in the culture. It's kind of how an American of English descent would simply consider himself American, whereas an American of Italian descent might consider himself Italian-American.

We never colonized Brazil like Englanders colonized North America. We never sent ships with settling families.

Brazil, as it is, was not built by Portuguese for a start, it was built by Bandeirantes, a caste of mercenaries, renegades and outlaws who arised in the years of Habsburg disastrous mismanagement of Portugal (1580-1640).

In practice, Portugal lost de facto control of Brazil in 1580 and we had to negotiate authority with a network of militias.

The bandeirantes (Portuguese pronunciation: [bɐ̃dejˈɾɐ̃tʃiʃ], followers of the banner) were composed of Indians (slaves and allies), caboclos (people of Indian mixed with white), and whites who were the captains of the Bandeiras. Members of the 16th–18th century South American slave-hunting expeditions called bandeiras (Portuguese for "flags"). Though their original purpose was to capture and force amerindians into slavery, the bandeirantes later began to focus their expeditions on finding gold, silver and diamond mines. They ventured into unmapped regions in search of profit and adventure. From 1580–1670 the Bandeirantes focused on slave hunting, then from 1670–1750 they focused on mineral wealth. Through these qexpeditions, the Bandeirantes also expanded Portuguese America from the small limits of the Tordesilhas Line to roughly the same territory as current Brazil. This expansion discovered mineral wealth that made the fortune of Portugal during the 17th and 18th centuries.

But well, if you are not happy with these numbers, you may return to your french homeland where at least 5 million purebred niggas are waiting for your wettest afro desires. Soon France will be better for you than Brazil itself, why caring about portuguese?

[Osprey]

Whatever Portugal did, atleast it had the decency to Not import Niggers on its soil like the USA and UK did. Massive Numbers, unchecked in barges.

[2Cool]

Racial Fetishist 1814, you may become a tad more informed by reading this reply someone wrote down a bunch of pages ago:



We never colonized Brazil like Englanders colonized North America. We never sent ships with settling families.

Brazil, as it is, was not built by Portuguese for a start, it was built by Bandeirantes, a caste of mercenaries, renegades and outlaws who arised in the years of Habsburg disastrous mismanagement of Portugal (1580-1640).

In practice, Portugal lost de facto control of Brazil in 1580 and we had to negotiate authority with a network of militias.

The bandeirantes (Portuguese pronunciation: [bɐ̃dejˈɾɐ̃tʃiʃ], followers of the banner) were composed of Indians (slaves and allies), caboclos (people of Indian mixed with white), and whites who were the captains of the Bandeiras. Members of the 16th–18th century South American slave-hunting expeditions called bandeiras (Portuguese for "flags"). Though their original purpose was to capture and force amerindians into slavery, the bandeirantes later began to focus their expeditions on finding gold, silver and diamond mines. They ventured into unmapped regions in search of profit and adventure. From 1580–1670 the Bandeirantes focused on slave hunting, then from 1670–1750 they focused on mineral wealth. Through these qexpeditions, the Bandeirantes also expanded Portuguese America from the small limits of the Tordesilhas Line to roughly the same territory as current Brazil. This expansion discovered mineral wealth that made the fortune of Portugal during the 17th and 18th centuries.

But well, if you are not happy with these numbers, you may return to your french homeland where at least 5 million purebred niggas are waiting for your wettest afro desires. Soon France will be better for you than Brazil itself, why caring about portuguese?

That post makes not sense. Dude wtf are you talking about? Not only does your post have nothing to do with what I wrote (how about you look at the stats about Brazilian dna that I posted here?) but you only speed about Bandeirantes as if they were the only population in Brazil and as if they didn't contain any Portuguese blood. I don't even know what your are talking about in the last paragraph.




European admixture is so high that just by looking at person, you wouldn't be able to guess the ratio between black, white (portuguese), and indian. The three main groups that make up Brazil and it's culture.


Neguinho da Beija-Flor is: 67.1% European, 31.5% African and 1.4% Amerindian

Also about the bandeirantes:

A maioria dos bandeirantes eram compostos por índios (escravos e aliados), caboclos (mestiços de índio com branco) e alguns brancos, que eram os capitães das bandeiras.

Os caboclos, ou seja, descendentes de casais de índios e brancos, eram os principais elementos do grupo, pois eram a ligação direta entre o colonizador branco (português) e o nativo, o índio, que conhecia as terras. Os bandeirantes paulistas, devido à sua pobreza, não podiam adquirir escravos africanos e escravizavam, por isso, os indígenas. Além do português, os bandeirantes também falavam a língua tupi e, com ela, nomearam vários lugares por onde passaram, denominações estas que, muitas vezes, persistem até hoje.

So yeah. White Bandeirantes ran shit and most were of Portuguese/Indian stock. How does this even refute what I said? Bandeirantes were also the minority of the population and came from São Paulo.

[Joe McCarthy]

Whatever Portugal did, atleast it had the decency to Not import Niggers on its soil like the USA and UK did. Massive Numbers, unchecked in barges.

Might wanna look up the composition of Lisbon's population in 1550.

[Zephyr]

Might wanna look up the composition of Lisbon's population in 1550.

Might wanna look up the composition of most of your cities in 2012.