Debian Bookworm the best Debian release ever :

[Sheppey]

[KirillMazur]

Agreed, although I've already upgraded to trixie (testing). Maybe too early, should have waited 3 months or so for things to stabilize.
Pipeware instead of pulse works like a charm. Still on Xorg, because Wayland is still early beta.

[Sheppey]

Agreed, although I've already upgraded to trixie (testing). Maybe too early, should have waited 3 months or so for things to stabilize.
Pipeware instead of pulse works like a charm. Still on Xorg, because Wayland is still early beta.

I am using wayland and I don't raid trixie because of flatpaks for select applications and trixie i.e. Testing is the least secure branch of debian even more so than Debian Sid even.

[KirillMazur]

I am using wayland and I don't raid trixie because of flatpaks for select applications and trixie i.e. Testing is the least secure branch of debian even more so than Debian Sid even.

I made a minimal install + Xorg and Xfce manually. No flatpaks at all. System is fast and stable despite being testing since it haven't unneeded extra packages and autostart services at all.

[Sheppey]

I made a minimal install + Xorg and Xfce manually. No flatpaks at all. System is fast and stable despite being testing since it haven't unneeded extra packages and autostart services at all.

Depending on how you start Xorg it can run as root so root Xorg + trixie = hacked or easy to hack or pwn (own) : 31337 h4x0r .

[Sheppey]

I made a minimal install + Xorg and Xfce manually. No flatpaks at all. System is fast and stable despite being testing since it haven't unneeded extra packages and autostart services at all.

I always do a minimal netinstall because I obviously know what I am doing but I am not sure you know what you are doing.

[KirillMazur]

Depending on how you start Xorg it can run as root so root Xorg + trixie = hacked or easy to hack or pwn (own) : 31337 h4x0r .

Of course, "startx" run as user. Not a fan of display managers at all.

I always do a minimal netinstall because I obviously know what I am doing but I am not sure you know what you are doing.

18 years of Linux experience. Both Debian/RHEL. The [customized] system is so predictable that it has become boring and calm long ago, but that's what we're trying to achieve, isn't it?

[Sheppey]

Of course, "startx" run as user. Not a fan of display managers at all.

I see that is all very well indeed

18 years of Linux experience. Both Debian/RHEL. The [customized] system is so predictable that it has become boring and calm long ago, but that's what we're trying to achieve, isn't it?

Basically since OpenBSD is not as good on the 'desktop' and battery life is worse with OpenBSD, as well. I started with Redhat Manhattan about 1997 or whatnot and first installed Debian with the Slink release and back then I had to compile a kernel just to get my sound card working so now I find all Linux distros to be extremely easy to use 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux I have been waiting for it is like a rock in a gyre of linux distros that move fast and break things.

[KirillMazur]

Basically since OpenBSD is not as good on the 'desktop' and battery life is worse with OpenBSD, as well. I started with Redhat Manhattan about 1997 or whatnot and first installed Debian with the Slink release and back then I had to compile a kernel just to get my sound card working so now I find all Linux distros to be extremely easy to use 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux I have been waiting for it is like a rock in a gyre of linux distros that move fast and break things.

OpenBSD is good on a virtual machine, as there are no problems with Wi-Fi and other peripherals, unlike the bare-metal.
I also came to Debian after many years of using Fedora, I got tired of the endless innovations and upgrades to a new release twice a year. In addition, Debian is a conditionally non-corporate distribution, and depends on politics to a much lesser extent.

I used Gentoo 15 years ago for 3 months. On a kernel built with default settings, nothing worked. You had to figure out with the kernel config and rebuild it 10 times to get a working system.
It's too complicated and long. Now Gentoo is a downed pilot, with a lack of userbase and maintainers.

[Sheppey]

OpenBSD is good on a virtual machine, as there are no problems with Wi-Fi and other peripherals, unlike the bare-metal.

Actually, I think the opposite is the case since some security features are only applied on bare-metal perhaps

I also came to Debian after many years of using Fedora, I got tired of the endless innovations and upgrades to a new release twice a year. In addition, Debian is a conditionally non-corporate distribution, and depends on politics to a much lesser extent.

I used Gentoo 15 years ago for 3 months. On a kernel built with default settings, nothing worked. You had to figure out with the kernel config and rebuild it 10 times to get a working system.
It's too complicated and long. Now Gentoo is a downed pilot, with a lack of userbase and maintainers.

Fedora sucks it might as well be owned by the NSA. Gentoo is pointless wankery and arch is for people who think they are elite but aren't.