Armenians and Middle East Christians on Apricty...

[Albion]

Albion, I think you mean well but you probably just haven't seen enough Armenians. Trust me, there is nothing European about their national Ethos- their Christianity is closer to the Egyptian Coptics than to ours, their mindset is very much Semitic, and they could care less about the struggle of Europeans.

I won't lie, I've only ever seen one in real life but there was nothing bad about him, well he was a temp teacher.

I just don't see why everyone is against them. They're peripheral Europeans and Christians and have held out against Muslim nations for centuries - what exactly is the problem?

If the attitude of a few of them stinks then I'd attribute that to the individuals, not the nation.


The Maltese could also be described as peripheral Europeans / Middle Easterners since their language is Semitic and their haplogroups are those of Southern Europe and North Africa.
Yet most people would call them Europeans. I see it as double standards.

[Damião de Góis]

Thanks. My posts were for other Portuguese users as a response.

A response to what?

[Nairi]

I just don't see why everyone is against them. They're peripheral Europeans and Christians and have held out against Muslim nations for centuries - what exactly is the problem?



The Maltese could also be described as peripheral Europeans / Middle Easterners since their language is Semitic and their haplogroups are those of Southern Europe and North Africa.
Yet most people would call them Europeans. I see it as double standards.

While some people generalising and labeling an entire nation and misleading themselves and others you should also keep in mind that Muslims/Turcic will alwas try to separate Armenians from other Europeans for very this reason:

The Passing of the Great Race

By Madison Grant

The Armenians, have resisted stoutly the pressure of Islam to force them away from their ancient Christian faith. This people really represents the last outpost of Europe toward the Mohammedan East and constitutes the best remaining medium through which Western ideals and culture can be introduced into Asia.

[Sikeliot]

A response to what?

Me saying Armenians are West Asians/Middle Eastern Christians and not European.

[Nairi]

A response to what?

I am sorry all this mess touched you but two of Portuguese users went out of their ways to portray Armenains what we are not on our thread. You are lucky you missed it all

[StonyArabia]

Obviously not. But I've highlighted the fact that there is no sudden genetic difference between Southern Europe and parts of the Near East such as Anatolia and Armenia.

Actually there is differences between Southern Europe and the Near East. Of course they will share a commonality. Anatolians and especially Western Anatolians are the closest group to Europeans and cluster with the Greeks. However the majority of Anatolians are clearly close to Armenians, Turks, Assyrians and Northern Iraqis who are basically of the same genetic group.

The genetics blur, haplogroups don't just stop at the borders of Greece and Russia.

Yes they don't but the autosomes are more important and it shows that these following groups have an alien genetics when compared to Europeans, and these are the SouthWest Asian, South Asian which no native European usually has in large amounts. Not only that they don't cluster with any other European group.

Armenians, Georgians and Ossetians are peripheral Europeans IMO, Assyrians and related groups - the "Middle East Christians" aren't European but shouldn't be left to the "mercy" of the Arabs.

The following Christian groups were never under the mercy of the Arabs, in the past they might have been but it was for a brief while. However for the Assyrians they are under the mercy of the Kurdish tribes. Don't let religion fool you like I have said there are many Arab Christians, but they don't have this need or want to be seen as Europeans because they know they are not, and they are also proud to be Christians and will die for the cross so to speak. As well many of them close to the Pan-Arabian ideal more so than to the Syriac and Armenian peoples. They also follow a much "European" rite the Greek Orthodox.

[Nairi]

Me saying Armenians are West Asians/Middle Eastern Christians and not European.

No, you posting Indian actress as Armenian and one single photo of 4 dark people, I simply showed you have such pics as well.
What about my wrong warning?

[Sikeliot]

No, you posting Indian actress as Armenian and one single photo of 4 dark people, I simply showed you have such pics as well.
What about my wrong warning?

You're more trouble than you're worth. That's all I'm saying. Stop ruining every thread and making the board a non-enjoyable place for everyone else. So much for agreeing to compromise.

[Nairi]

You're more trouble than you're worth. That's all I'm saying. Stop ruining every thread and making the board a non-enjoyable place for everyone else. So much for agreeing to compromise.

You agreed you were short tempered and gave me warning for nothing but you refuse to take it away. I see. So much for being a good Mod.

[The Journeyman]

I don't see what the fuss is about. If they align themselves with and are for the preservation of national/ethnic/cultural integrity of other European nations, then why not welcome them as friends? I'm not under the assumption that all Armenians think this way, but seeing as the ones posting on TA do, I don't see the issue.