View Poll Results: What kind of rule would be best for a Christian Jerusalem?

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  • Indepepdent Western-style state: a Kingdom of Jerusalem, or Republic of Jerusalem, or something like that

    32 50.79%
  • Independent state, ruled by the Native Christians: an Assyrian State or Christian Palestinian State.

    18 28.57%
  • British colony (Mandate of Jerusalem)

    4 6.35%
  • Italian colony

    3 4.76%
  • Greek colony

    6 9.52%
  • Armenian rule

    5 7.94%
  • German colony

    3 4.76%
  • Russian colony

    3 4.76%
  • Bulgarian rule

    0 0%
  • French colony

    5 7.94%
  • Spanish/Portuguese colony

    3 4.76%
  • Papal rule: rule from the Vatican (Jerusalem as part of the Vatican State)

    19 30.16%
  • Something else (e.g. Hungarian/Romanian/Serbian/etc rule)

    8 12.70%
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Thread: A Christian Jerusalem - who should rule it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odoacer View Post
    Why should Jerusalem become Christian? I mean, apart from mass conversion - in which case they would all ideally convert to Reformed Christianity. There is a sense in which I wouldn't care if Jerusalem were razed to the ground. Of course, the historical significance would be missed, but I don't consider the soil or buildings or anything else there to be holy; at least, not any more holy than any other spot on earth. So, realistically, I don't see much point in a "Christian Jerusalem" as things stand.
    There is much in the power of symbols and the West controlling Jerusalem would do much for its prestige and reinvigorate the Church. As the West is often seen to rest on the pillars of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem, I don't think the impact of reconquering it can be understated or the morale boost it'd have on us or the blow of confidence it would deal our enemies.

    Certainly Constantinople falling to the Turks had a major psychological impact on both sides.

    The problem is in amassing the will to do it in an essentially atheistic populace - which is rather the trouble with atheism. It offers nothing inspiring to rally around, no grand visions or new ideals. It's a void offering complacency and despair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    There is much in the power of symbols and the West controlling Jerusalem would do much for its prestige and reinvigorate the Church. As the West is often seen to rest on the pillars of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem, I don't think the impact of reconquering it can be understated or the morale boost it'd have on us or the blow of confidence it would deal our enemies.

    Certainly Constantinople falling to the Turks had a major psychological impact on both sides.

    The problem is in amassing the will to do it in an essentially atheistic populace - which is rather the trouble with atheism. It offers nothing inspiring to rally around, no grand visions or new ideals. It's a void offering complacency and despair.
    Interesting points, but for many of the same reasons it seems to me that Constantinople would be more meaningful. Besides, Jerusalem is currently controlled by (at least nominal) allies of the West.

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    Jerusalem should be a reformed mixture of AElia Capitolina (in the Roman province of Syria Palestina), the Kingdom of Jerusalem, and the British Mandate of Palestine. Pagan or Christian, past or present, who gives a fuck about the Semites? LOL

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    The Philistines/Palestinians of Goliath's time were supposedly Sea Peoples, and Indo-European, because they obviously came from the Isles of the Gentiles, the people of Japheth/Jupiter/Zeus/Deus/Theos/Tyr/Tues. Who says the Jews have to have Canaan? Why can't they go back to the Persian Gulf where their ancestor Abraham came from?

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    Er, it seems to me that none of the Abrahamic faiths ought have sovereignty over Jerusalem because it is a holy place for all of them. Thus, that would be a recipe for more disaster to come, IMO.

    However, I guess if it were to fall under Christian rule, I'd go with the Independent Native Christian State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IVDEVS_AVGVSTVS View Post
    Constantinapole is Greek.
    In fact, all of modern-day Turkey rightfully belongs to Greece or Armenia.
    Actually its more like Armenia,Greece, Kurds and Laz

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    Quote Originally Posted by byrnecres View Post
    Er, it seems to me that none of the Abrahamic faiths ought have sovereignty over Jerusalem because it is a holy place for all of them. Thus, that would be a recipe for more disaster to come, IMO.

    However, I guess if it were to fall under Christian rule, I'd go with the Independent Native Christian State.
    How about expelling all the Semites from Jerusalem, and the entire Levant, or just their religion? Kill all circumcisers and rebuild all the pagan temples? Oh, I forgot the Phoenician influence in paganism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x-class View Post
    Actually its more like Armenia,Greece, Kurds and Laz
    The Kurds have a rather baseless claim to a vast area of the Armenian Highland -- most of present-day Eastern Turkey was historically the Armenian Homeland. After the Armenian genocide (1915-1923), vast areas, throughout the historic Armenian Homeland, became devoid of millions of Armenians who perished, fled or disappeared into Muslim homes. In their place, Kurds, for the most part, moved into the homes and land of Armenians who were no more to be seen in their own countryside.

    Today, the Kurds who once lived as neighbors to Armenians, now are the bulk of the population in many former Armenian settlements. Most of these Kurds now identify as Kurdistan the historic Armenian Homeland, in present-day Eastern Turkey.
    Last edited by Armenian Bishop; 12-09-2011 at 05:27 PM. Reason: corrected punctuation error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    The Kurds have a rather baseless claim to a vast area of the Armenian Highland -- most of present-day Eastern Turkey was historically the Armenian Homeland. After the Armenian genocide (1915-1923), there were vast areas throughout the historic Armenian Homeland, which became devoid of millions of Armenians, who perished, fled or disappeared into Muslim homes. In there place, Kurds, for the most part, moved into the homes and land of Armenians who were no more to be seen in their own countryside.

    Today, the Kurds who once lived as neighbors to Armenians, now are the bulk of the population in many former Armenian settlements. Most of these Kurds now identify as Kurdistan, the historic Armenian Homeland, in present-day Eastern Turkey.
    There is many diffrent theories about that but if you look at the old maps you will see.

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