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    Serbs started settling in Kosovo after Austrian-Ottoman wars in 1690 which further increased their population and they expelled 60k Albanians out of the Toplica area and into Kosovo. Serbs settled in villages abandoned by Albanians after Austrian-Ottoman wars. (There was even a study on Kosovo Serbs that showed good chunk, if not most of them, had come from somewhere else and the guy who did the study even cherrypicked the area (some parts of Eastern Kosovo) which was known to of had a higher amount of Orthodox Slavs) but that will be for another time.


    Noel Malcolm, who offers a detailed critique of the competing versions of Kosovo’s history,
    cites evidence to suggest that Patriarch Arsenije neither sided with the Catholic Habsburgs nor led the revolt against the Ottomans
    . He and others who fled with the Habsburgs merely distrusted that the Ottoman reconquest of Kosovo would be peaceful. Malcolm add sthat Leopold I’s ‘invitation’ of April is best known from the doctored form published in the nineteenth century, which disguised its original purpose of persuading Serbs everywhere not to flee their homes, but rather to rise up against the resurgent Ottomans. According to Malcolm, the number of refugees to Hungary (from Serbia as a whole, not merelyKosovo) was individuals, not families. Thus, in his judgement, the events that followed the Habsburgs’ invasion more closely resembled the Albanian, rather than the Serbian, version of national history. Here is a remarkable reversal, as Malcolm, like other Western historians, had previously accepted the Serbian account.
    In this case, however, Ottoman records contain useful information aboutthe ethnicities of the leading actors in the story. In comparison with‘Serbs’, who were not a meaningful category to the Ottoman state, its records refer to ‘Albanians’ more frequently than to many other cultural or linguistic groups. The term ‘Arnavud’ was used to denote persons who spoke one of the dialects of Albanian, came from mountainous country inthe western Balkans (referred to as ‘Arnavudluk’, and including not onlythe area now forming the state of Albania but also neighbouring parts of Greece, Macedonia, Kosovo, and Montenegro), organized society on thestrength of blood ties (family, clan, tribe), engaged predominantly in a mixof settled agriculture and livestock herding, and were notable fighters
    ‒ a group, in short, difficult to control.

    The seventeenth-century Ottoman notable and author Evliya Çelebi,who wrote a massive account of his travels around the empire and abroad,included in it details of local society that normally would not appear inofficial correspondence; for this reason, his account of a visit to several towns in Kosovo in 1660's is extremely valuable. Evliya confirms that western and at least parts of central Kosovo were ‘Arnavud (Albania)’.


    https://www.academia.edu/18229289/Th...Case_of_Kosovo

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    There is no Serbian history here prior to the 13th century , you're some tribe that invaded it then. Your sources mention Albanians, the Ottoman sources we have further shows an Albanian population. Vlach, Bulgarian etc. Your history is fake regarding many events . Really simple. This is not your history, fuck off gypsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brave View Post
    There is no Serbian history here prior to the 13th century , you're some tribe that invaded it then. Your sources mention Albanians, the Ottoman sources we have further shows an Albanian population. Vlach, Bulgarian etc. Your history is fake regarding many events . Really simple. This is not your history, fuck off gypsy.
    LOL why do you create so many accounts ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medvedev92 View Post
    Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbe, also known as Skanderbeg (1405-1468), was an Albanian feudal lord and military commander who led a rebellion against the Ottoman Empire in what is today Albania, North Macedonia, Greece, Kosovo, Montenegro and Serbia. One of his patrilineal descendants was identified as a member of haplogroup E-V13 > Z17107.

    Having Slavic names in family doesn't prove anything, since the Orthodox church pushed those they joined the church to take on Orthodox names. Same goes with non-Slavic people in Asia etc.
    See here how to explain this, My wife`s Uncle! his mothers with here Father and brothers and there sons are direct Descendant to Skanderbeg, they have documents and family tree om this, we said that next summer we go to Montengro we will take a test on one if the men who are Decendets of him, and we will know 100%, this is most exiting i must say..

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    on that side of the family they acknowledg that they are desendents of Arbanasi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brave View Post

    ... Noel Malcolm, who offers a detailed critique ...


    Irrelevant source of Albanian and Bosnian Muslim propagandist and lobbyist.



    Malcolm used to be the chairman of the Bosnian Institute, London,[7] and president of the Anglo-Albanian Association.[8]
    He is a Member of the Academy of Sciences and Arts of Kosovo
    In 2016, he was awarded the Presidential Gold Medal of the League of Prizren by the president of Kosovo, Hashim Thaçi.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Malcolm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brave View Post
    There is no Serbian history here prior to the 13th century , you're some tribe that invaded it then. Your sources mention Albanians, the Ottoman sources we have further shows an Albanian population. Vlach, Bulgarian etc. Your history is fake regarding many events . Really simple. This is not your history, fuck off gypsy.
    There is no Albanian history in Kosovo before Ottoman ocupation and 17th century.

    Even after that, their number not only in Kosovo province, but also in Albania, was quite small, and exploded in 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    LOL why do you create so many accounts ?
    guy have no life at all lol

    There was never any rights towards you! They have always hated you and will continue to hate you as long as you exist. Not because you are bad or good, but because you are defiant. If one day I don't see that defiance in the eyes of at least one Serb out of a thousand of you, I will know that you are gone, you have become slaves, what they wanted to make of you. I did not fight for the slaves, I did not fight alongside the slaves and you are not little Russians here in the Balkans, as some like to say, but you are big Serbs back home. And you should remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Far_away View Post
    Nobody is claiming just because of Slavic names but his father and brother were buried in Serbian monastery Hilandar.
    "Scanderbeg huome valente e per nature Serviano" Gjon Muzaka wrote this about his orgins

    Marin Barleti wrote about his mother that she was "Tribalian" the term "Triballians" (Triballoi) was used in Byzantine works as an exonym for Serbs.

    If he was ruler of Albania that does not make him Albanian, this is what people confuse.
    Albania had other lords of different orgins like Charles of Anjou, Wilhelm, Dusan the mighty ofc... and others

    The tower that Gjon Kastrioti built in Hilandar, Mt Athos was called "Arbanaški pirg" (Albanian tower) by the Serbians.

    And Reposh Kastrioti is listed as "Dux of Illyria" in Hilandar




    In the 15th century the tower belonged to Ioannis (Ivanis) Kastriotis, ruler of Northern Albania and father of Georgios Kastriotis, the national hero of Albania (better known as "Skenderbeg").
    According to a document of 1421-1422, Ioannis Kastriotis bought the tower and 4 adelfata (for himself and for three of his sons) from the monastery of Hilandar for the amount of 60 Venetian florins.

    “Adelfaton” was the right to reside in a dependency of a monastery on Mount Athos, accompanied by the right to exploit the crops of the surrounding land. The right was valid for life, but could not be inherited. It was a common practice at one time, especially in the 14th and 15th centuries, when various wealthy secular lords from the Balkans acquired this type of properties in Athos in order to retire and remain there as monks at the end of their lives.

    However, the tower pre-existed long before Kastriotis bought it. The exact chronology is not known. Initially it must have been a purely defensive tower, which probably served as a refuge for monks in cases of pirate raids. It was most likely built in the same period with the tower of Agios Savas of the Monastery of Hilandar (with which there are structural similarities), so we assume that it is a construction of the 12th century, approximately. When Kastriotis bought it, he had to make a radical renovation, and maybe, then, other buildings were added to the surrounding area.

    The tower was returned to the monastery at the end of the 15th century, probably in 1468, after the death of all the beneficiaries of the adelfaton. In the following period, a community of monks settled there - apparently organized according to the standards of a Skete - which managed to receive for several decades, at least until 1528, rich donations from the rulers of Wallachia.

    In the various monastic documents of that time, related to these donations, it seems that the name “Tower of the Albanian” (arbanaskij pirg) was already established, while sometimes the name “Tower of St. George” was also used.

    The tower was used for centuries afterwards. It was probably abandoned around the beginning of 20th century or a while before.

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    Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto



    and Skanderbeg was not really a big fan of Serbs


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    Quote Originally Posted by KrashNick View Post

    and Skanderbeg was not really a big fan of Serbs


    So Albanians made agression on Serbian Despotate and massacred Serbian civilians in Kosovo region in the 15th century.


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