Is Chilean "Europeanity/Europeanness/Whiteness" way overrated?

[Padanian]

Such as other countries/regions of the Southern Cone (Uruguay, Argentina and Southern Brazil), Chile is widely considered a "white" country (white "in quotes"; I mean, with most people looking phenotypically close to what is in fact considered white - having traits/features such as light-pigmentation, soft-nose, soft-lips and so on - but obviously having significant amount of native DNA).

That being said, Chileans considered themselves in last census belonging to the following ethnic groups:

White and non-Indigenous (including mestizos) - 88.9%;
Mapuche - 9.1%;
Aymara - 0.7%;
Other Indigenous groups - 1% (includes Rapa Nui, Likan Antai, Quechua, Colla, Diaguita, Kawesqar, Yagan or Yamana);
Unspecified - 0.3%.

However, despite we know that most of "white Chileans" (such as "white people" from other latin-American countries) score a significant amount of Amerindian ancestry, several studies point out that the Chileans possess a genepool averaging 51.85% (± 5.44%) European DNA, 44.34% (± 3.9%) Indigenous DNA, and 3.81% (± 0.45%) African DNA.

All this non-European ancestry (almost 45% of their ethnic background) makes it hard for me to believe they are a predominant (phenotypically) "white" nation (disregarding their DNA and taking into account only their phenotype - the same way we do with Argentina, Uruguay and Southern Brazil: most of the people living in these places are considered "white" phenotypically no matter they score few non-European ancestry; which is, in my opinion, the correct way to define whether a person is or is not white - the one-drop-rule sucks and makes no sense at all).

Going further, I watched some Chilean ancestry tests on YouTube (of Chilean people from Santiago, the place where I guess people should score more European ancestry than in remote areas of the rest of the country - taking into account that Argentinians who score the most Euro results are those from Buenos Aires, and Uruguayans who score the most Euro results are those from Montevideo) - much to my surprise, there were some people from Santiago who scored over 75% native American, such as this guy who scored 77.6% of native American ancestry, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hCe5pfPgKIk


This one scored 70.1% native American:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_WeFB9PsEY


This one scored 65.4% native American:




This one scored 61.6% native American:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L96YMc2PZX4


This one scored 58.3% native American:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LXMlxPoT8ss


This one scored 46.6% native American:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eII7-3dKsn8


And this is the one who scored the least amount of native American DNA (only 11.1%) that I could find among Chilean people from Santiago. He stated he is of British and Swiss-German descent.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N43qVZ9-c70


It's worth remembering that THESE ARE NOT CHERRYPICKED RESULTS. These are ALL the results I could find of Chilean people who mentioned they are from Santiago either in the video title or in the comments section.

I found some Chileans who scored almost 90% native American, but I decided not to post their results in this thread because they are mostly from Antofagasta region (therefore, not that typical "representative"/"average" Chilean like people from Santiago), and others didn't mention what part of the country they are from; so, the results posted above are ALL THE RESULTS that I found about Chilean people from Santiago. If you think I'm cherrypicking, go search on YouTube by yourself.

So, taking into account that the guy who scored only 11.1% Amerindian DNA is of recent background and considering that all the other results are from people with "Colonial background", the second lowest Amerindian result was of 46.6% native DNA.
This person showed 2.26% MORE Amerindian than the results those studies stated about the ancestry of the "average" Chilean. All the results I found on YouTube about people from Santiago (except for that guy who's of recent European descent). All the other people from Santiago are far-higher Amerindian than what those studies showed about the ethnic composition of the "average" Chilean.

So, what do you think about it? Are the studies wrong, are the DNA tests wrong or both are wrong and a Chilean from Santiago is in fact less Amerindian and more European than the results of the studies and of the DNA tests?

I'll post some pictures of footballers from Santiago (Metropolitan) because I think they represent better the population of a place than people such as politicians (especially in latin-American/mixed countries):


Arturo Vidal




Bruno Barticciotto (Argentinian father)




Gary Medel




Claudio Bravo




Marcelino Núñez




Alexander Avarena




Mauricio Pinilla




José Fuenzalida




Marcelo Díaz




Mauricio Isla




Charles Aránguiz




Eduardo Vargas




Iván Zamorano




Jean Beausejour (Haitian father, Mapuche mother)




Jorge Valdivia (born in Venezuela to Chilean parents from Santiago)




Jose Rojas




Esteban Paredes




Diego Valdés




Leonardo Valencia




Rodrigo Echeverría




Gabriel Suazo






Crowds of people in Chile (Santiago)

[Incal]

The upper classes are european, the rest, mestizoid.

[Ch'aska]

No son tan blancos como los uruguayos, los argentinos o los brasileños 'sulistas'.

Su mezcla Euro debe ser 55-60%, similar a países como Venezuela o Paraguay.

Pero a diferencia de Venezuela, apenas tienen influencia africana. Y a diferencia de Paraguaya, la mezcla es más heterogénea (en Chile se pueden encontrar más blancos casi puros y amerindios casi puros).

[Padanian]

The upper classes are european, the rest, mestizoid.

This guy has been upper-class since he was a child and before becoming famous, and he doesn't look European at all. Some Chilean footballers from Santiago I mentioned in my post looks much more European than him.

[Erronkari]

Such as other countries/regions of the Southern Cone (Uruguay, Argentina and Southern Brazil), Chile is widely considered a "white" country (white "in quotes"; I mean, with most people looking phenotypically close to what is in fact considered white - having traits/features such as light-pigmentation, soft-nose, soft-lips and so on - but obviously having significant amount of native DNA).

That being said, Chileans aA2RDTsLDAE22hzH5aUcyZU9VYs=/0x0:4010x2673/1000x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_59edd422c0c84a879bd37670ae4f538a/internal_photos/bs/2022/B/E/3atEAvRfuLhlZ7aFKLKg/2022-07-05t110127z-1307733303-rc2tdf9r1wg8-rtrmadp-3-chile-education-violence.jpg[/img]

Agree with all you said but I would like to point something.
In Argentina the most Euro area is partly Buenos Aires but not the capital city.
The capital today is 76/79% Euro average because it's quite diverse at these times since a lot of people of the most mestizo regions of the country settled in the city and the outskirts.
The most Euro are Buenos Aires the province (the countryside of it and smaller towns), and Santa Fe, Entre Ríos, La Pampa and Córdoba provinces...


About chileans I agree.
The most Euro are settled in Antofagasta partly (serbian ancestry), Punta Arenas (croatian ancestry), Concepción and some wealthy neightbourhoods of Santiago like Las Condes, Providencia or Lo Barnechea where there are also people of german and british ancestry, not only colonial élite stock.
But the average country should be 55/60% Euro to me...

[Incal]

This guy has been upper-class since he was a child and before becoming famous, and he doesn't look European at all. Some Chilean footballers from Santiago I mentioned in my post looks much more European than him.

If he ended up in the US then he's not that upper class.

[axel.aleman]

Son 55% euro similar a Costa Rica y República Dominicana pero a diferencia de esos países que si tienen notable mezcla SSA, estos apenas tienen SSA y su subtipo amerindio (Mapuche/South Andid) es más claro y se nota menos

[Southern Farmer]

No son tan blancos como los uruguayos, los argentinos o los brasileños 'sulistas'.

Su mezcla Euro debe ser 55-60%, similar a países como Venezuela o Paraguay.

Pero a diferencia de Venezuela, apenas tienen influencia africana. Y a diferencia de Paraguaya, la mezcla es más heterogénea (en Chile se pueden encontrar más blancos casi puros y amerindios casi puros).

Es esto principalmente. Tambien hay que tener en cuenta que historicamente en Chile la mayoría de los mestizos y los criollos cohabitaban culturalmente, por ello creo que se considera como un mismo grupo étnico (cosa que pasa en otros lugares de América Latina).

[Ch'aska]

Es esto principalmente. Tambien hay que tener en cuenta que historicamente en Chile la mayoría de los mestizos y los criollos cohabitaban culturalmente, por ello creo que se considera como un mismo grupo étnico (cosa que pasa en otros lugares de América Latina).

Justo estaba hablando de eso en otro post.

Por ejemplo, en el centro de Colombia es común que los mestizos se autodenominen como blancos.

Parece ser algo común en lugares donde los mestizos tienen una cultura muy europeizada.

[Etelfrido]

This guy has been upper-class since he was a child and before becoming famous, and he doesn't look European at all. Some Chilean footballers from Santiago I mentioned in my post looks much more European than him.

Why?